Re: Specific Questions about Registration details for IETF 108

Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Sun, 07 June 2020 14:50 UTC

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Subject: Re: Specific Questions about Registration details for IETF 108
To: John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com>, IETF <ietf@ietf.org>
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Hiya,

On 07/06/2020 02:54, John C Klensin wrote:
> 
> That is tied to the reasons I think that the LLC does not need
> permission to charge a registration fee for participation in
> online meetings.  We have established the principle that
> identification and registration of participants is required and
> the principle that a fee may be charged for registration.
> Applying such a fee to remote participants (and, incidentally to
> remote participants in WG interim meetings) may violate
> tradition and be a terrible idea (and that may be arguments
> about where "pay to play" come in) but I don't think it breaks
> any principles.

While I agree with a lot of the rest of your email, I don't
agree with the above. IMO, a move from zero to non-zero is
a change that does require community consideration. I don't
think we need to try reconcile those opinions right now (as
there's a putative WG in the offing that'll discuss that)
but just wanted to note that there are, and likely always
will be, grey areas where it's not clear whether or not a
decision is within the LLC's remit. I think in such cases
the LLC needs to consult the IESG and/or community and in
most cases defer to the community consensus, as established
via our usual processes. There are also many non-grey
areas (e.g. t-shirt shipping) where the community ought
not (but will:-) nit-pick, but it's important for the LLC
to make sure to distinguish things where the community
needs a debate before a decision can be made. As there's
no magic rule that distinguishes those cases, this comes
down to experience with this community and judgement.

Cheers,
S.