Re: Creating an IETF Working Group Draft

Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> Mon, 03 December 2012 14:09 UTC

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On 12/3/2012 5:58 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote:
> We could certainly say this. It is a true statement.
>
> However, the document is trying to talk about WG I-Ds, not to provide a general
> description of everything the IETF and RFC Editor ever does.
...
> My answers are "No" and "No".

+1

The existing text was tailored to lay foundation for what comes next, 
not to provide a general introduction to I-Ds.  The suggested changes 
add unnecessary verbosity.  Anyone needing a 'complete' understanding of 
I-Ds can consult the offered citations.

d/

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  Dave Crocker
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