Re: [dmarc-ietf] Identification of an email author (was - Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC)
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From: Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@hotmail.com>
To: Franck Martin <franck@peachymango.org>, Terry Zink <tzink@exchange.microsoft.com>
Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] Identification of an email author (was - Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC)
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- Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Dave Crocker
- IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Cullen Jennings
- Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC John Levine
- Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Ted Lemon
- Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC John Levine
- RE: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC MH Michael Hammer (5304)
- RE: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC John R Levine
- Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Ted Lemon
- Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC John Levine
- Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Dave Crocker
- Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Ted Lemon
- Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Paul Hoffman
- Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC John C Klensin
- Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Ted Lemon
- Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Michael Richardson
- Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Yoav Nir
- Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Ted Lemon
- Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Yoav Nir
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Hector Santos
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Brandon Long
- Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Cullen Jennings
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Cullen Jennings
- Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC S Moonesamy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Brian E Carpenter
- Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC John Levine
- Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC John Levine
- Identification of an email author (was - Re: [dma… Dave Crocker
- Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Ted Lemon
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Theodore Ts'o
- RE: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Terry Zink
- Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Theodore Ts'o
- Next step on IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Alexey Melnikov
- Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Bob Hinden
- RE: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC MH Michael Hammer (5304)
- Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Ted Lemon
- RE: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Terry Zink
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Andrew G. Malis
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Steve Atkins
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Andrew G. Malis
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Theodore Ts'o
- Options for temporary operational solution to DMA… Ted Lemon
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Brandon Long
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Identification of an email autho… Brandon Long
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Franck Martin
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Hector Santos
- Re: Options for temporary operational solution to… Andrew G. Malis
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC John C Klensin
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Ted Lemon
- Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Michael Richardson
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Michael Richardson
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Michael Richardson
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC John C Klensin
- Re: Options for temporary operational solution to… John Leslie
- RE: [dmarc-ietf] Identification of an email autho… Terry Zink
- Re: Options for temporary operational solution to… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Identification of an email autho… Ted Lemon
- Re: Options for temporary operational solution to… John Levine
- RE: [dmarc-ietf] Identification of an email autho… Terry Zink
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- RE: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Christian Huitema
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Options for temporary operational solution to… Michael Richardson
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Michael Richardson
- Re: Options for temporary operational solution to… Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Identification of an email autho… Franck Martin
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Identification of an email autho… Khaled Omar
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Identification of an email autho… S Moonesamy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC Brandon Long
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