Re: [Int-area] Apps Directorate Review of draft-ietf-intarea-ipv4-id-update-05

Joe Touch <touch@isi.edu> Wed, 06 June 2012 00:46 UTC

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On 6/2/2012 10:00 PM, C. M. Heard wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Jun 2012, Glen Zorn wrote:
>> On Sat, 2012-06-02 at 21:21 -0700, C. M. Heard wrote:
>>
>> ...
>>
>>>>> In Section 6.1:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>     Datagram de-duplication can be accomplished using hash-based
>>>>>>     duplicate detection for cases where the ID field is absent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Under what circumstances would the ID field be absent?
>>>>
>>>> Replace "absent" with "known not unique".
>>>
>>> Better, I think, would be "not known to be unique".
>>
>> Except that the two are not semantically equivalent.

Sorry - I didn't catch that. When the datagram is atomic, under the new 
rules, we would *assume* that the ID field was not unique for a 
src/dst/protocol triple within the expected time (120 seconds).

I.e., the ID field is "assumed to not be useful for such purposes", 
which might be more accurate.

Joe

>
> Indeed.  That was why I suggested the change.
>
> //cmh
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