Re: DMARC not-WG, was "why I quit writing internet standards"

"John Levine" <johnl@taugh.com> Sun, 20 April 2014 17:21 UTC

Return-Path: <johnl@iecc.com>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36EA11A003D for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 10:21:06 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -0.357
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.357 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779] autolearn=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PXFSD-zCXLDO for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 10:21:05 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from miucha.iecc.com (abusenet-1-pt.tunnel.tserv4.nyc4.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f06:1126::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B1531A0027 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 10:21:04 -0700 (PDT)
Received: (qmail 20554 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2014 17:20:59 -0000
Received: from miucha.iecc.com (64.57.183.18) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2014 17:20:59 -0000
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=df50.535401fb.k1404; i=johnl@user.iecc.com; bh=usXJjbYyIOTYhsxxchkUJ84zJZd5QVXsqHLO+sqwjco=; b=UlM+QNf0eyxVHhQO+r6CgGN+askSGecideqMK7h/UD/gOmRLLDoFZQCCSJ3p0nP726mV8UP97skfjcXZajHGQJDAp6Stf8u/kJlfxS00y/Kgi1nCjTvkUv8VBCSlF0lK1LCSfFXNg7CKusd3kwVBsWxi8huU1HEONh3OIRhTSiW86YTWNdGmo3hgIyU0Rgt9OORavniDxTYmc1dQkP4pbcrlo4p09fPNVcG6yVCZfm8IN+XBloDhTCAOOu5j5U1z
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=df50.535401fb.k1404; olt=johnl@user.iecc.com; bh=usXJjbYyIOTYhsxxchkUJ84zJZd5QVXsqHLO+sqwjco=; b=4pFCXorYv8rYluVaNeh5cAc9ZSPu9aLDt6VFYIrn6kVDjxS97o2l9LAd20EMD1IWv0BwOaaLusNpiPtbiNOpsHPs34zPJ8NywwwwPpEvH5qD2GhIstmfFDNoPn9ncr7sNCbqFmckid3M7OqgG3xS1Zjz169vAKRlFyHwdzQ2Vq9sOjhtGdyJr/hVfJgLYJ4itAfEvijZd0J71cytG1HK3wiChpKTSHam4mGkPWegyZvIRx7HbwOhp1ZCf7oROaIV
Date: 20 Apr 2014 17:20:37 -0000
Message-ID: <20140420172037.57167.qmail@joyce.lan>
From: "John Levine" <johnl@taugh.com>
To: ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: DMARC not-WG, was "why I quit writing internet standards"
In-Reply-To: <5353FEF7.2060708@bbiw.net>
Organization:
X-Headerized: yes
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/JKwrgdQ3dvfGjr0-QClK0SMvvLc
Cc: dcrocker@bbiw.net
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 17:21:06 -0000

>In spite of repeated efforts -- in at least two venues -- to get folks 
>to state what work they thought was needed and to get community support 
>for that work, no tasks were produced.

My strong impression is that the DMARC cartel considered fixing the
fundamental problems to be out of scope, so that's kind of
tautological.

R's,
John