Re: Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy
"Leif Johansson" <leifj@nordu.net> Fri, 20 July 2012 15:32 UTC
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Subject: Re: Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy
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20 jul 2012 kl. 16:09 skrev "Richard L. Barnes" <rbarnes@bbn.com>: > +1 > > Although I wonder whether radical openness would be cheaper in the long run: Put everything online and have an auto-responder at subpoena@ietf.org that says "Go look it up yourself." > I could think of some other things it could say too... > --Richard > > > > On Jul 20, 2012, at 10:05 AM, Warren Kumari wrote: > >> >> On Jul 20, 2012, at 9:07 AM, IETF Administrative Director wrote: >> >>> The IAOC is seeking community feedback on a proposed policy by the IAOC to impose >>> fees to produce information and authenticate documents in response to subpoenas and >>> other legal requests. >>> >>> The IETF receives requests for information, documentation, authentication or other >>> matters through subpoenas and less formal means that require manpower and materials >>> to be expended. These requests are on the rise. During the period 2005 to 2010 the IETF >>> responded to nine subpoenas. Since 2011 the IETF has received five subpoenas and three >>> other legal requests for authenticated documents. >>> >>> Each such request is time sensitive and involves the IETF Counsel, the IAD, and members >>> of the IAOC, who together form the Legal Management Committee, to rapidly analyze and >>> identify the means for satisfying the request. Often there is a need to retain outside counsel, >>> especially in cases that might lead to depositions or court testimony. >>> >>> The IAOC believes a Schedule of Fees is an appropriate and reasonable means to recover >>> costs associated with such efforts. >>> >>> The draft policy entitled Draft Fee Policy for Legal Requests can be found >>> at: <http://iaoc.ietf.org/policyandprocedures.html> >>> >>> Before adopting a policy the IAOC would like feedback on this before making a >>> decision. Comments appreciated to ietf@ietf.org by 6 August 2012. >>> >>> Ray Pelletier >>> IETF Administrative Director >>> >> >> >> LGTM++. >> >> Seems like a grand idea -- who knows, may even help avoid nuisance suits (although the fees are so small (compared to all the other costs) that I don't hold much hope of this…). >> >> W >> >> -- >> For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong. >> -- H. L. Mencken >> >> >> >
- Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy IETF Administrative Director
- Re: Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy Andrew Sullivan
- Re: Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy Worley, Dale R (Dale)
- Re: Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy Warren Kumari
- Re: Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy Richard L. Barnes
- Re: Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy Scott Brim
- Re: Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy Bradner, Scott
- Re: Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy Richard L. Barnes
- Re: Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy John C Klensin
- Re: Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy Yoav Nir
- Re: Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy John Levine
- Re: Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy Dave Crocker
- Re: Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy Richard L. Barnes
- Re: [IAOC] Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy Bob Hinden
- Re: [IAOC] Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy Marshall Eubanks
- Re: Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy Jiankang Yao
- Re: Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy Andrew G. Malis
- Re: Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy Leif Johansson
- RE: Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [IAOC] Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [IAOC] Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy John Levine
- Re: [IAOC] Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [IAOC] Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy Carsten Bormann
- Re: [IAOC] Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy John R Levine
- Re: [IAOC] Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy John R Levine
- Re: [IAOC] Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy John R Levine
- Re: [IAOC] Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy David Morris
- RE: Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy Richard Shockey
- RE: Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy Richard Shockey
- Re: [IAOC] Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy Scott O Bradner
- Re: [IAOC] Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy Scott O Bradner
- Re: Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy Samuel Weiler