Re: Describing which behavior is appropriate or not (was: Last Call: <draft-eggert-bcp45bis-06.txt> (IETF Discussion List Charter) to Best Current Practice)

[S Moonesamy <[e-mail]>]

Hi Keith,
At 02:09 AM 31-10-2021, Keith Moore wrote:
>I respectfully disagree that the ietf list weakens the IETF.   I 
>think the IETF is much weaker now, much less able to address the 
>real needs of the Internet community.

What I meant was that not having the venue weakens the IETF.

>I agree with this much.   But we have now become so fragmented that 
>it's hard for us to discover new shared values or evolve the old 
>ones.   I used to call this the Tower of Babel effect, but it's much 
>worse now than it was when I first saw it happening in the late 1990s.
>
>Instead a poor substitute for values are imposed from above or by 
>external forces, neither of which serves the Internet user community.
>
>How can we move IETF forward so that it can actually become more 
>inclusive rather than less, better able to consider diverse inputs 
>than it is now?   I'm pretty sure that efforts to marginalize 
>"different" participants won't serve this purpose.

The following is an IESG task from 2019:

        [removed] to work on some mechanism to obtain wider or private
        feedback from people who are disenfranchised; anonymous flagging
        of offensive emails to inform  leadership; more opportunities for
        private feedback.

There wasn't any action on that (from what I remember).

The issues which you mentioned require a lot of effort to resolve, if 
that is even possible.  The persons doing that would need to get 
community buy-in.

Regards,
S. Moonesamy