Re: Predictable Internet Time
Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Tue, 03 January 2017 18:51 UTC
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Subject: Re: Predictable Internet Time
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2017 13:51:54 -0500
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On Jan 3, 2017, at 1:38 PM, Cyrus Daboo <cyrus@daboo.name> wrote: > No that simply does not work. Repeating events or alarms may not involve any UI at all, but the device may need to trigger those at a specific local time - that means time zone information has to be taken into account somewhere. This is a crucial fact of any calendaring and scheduling system that those of us who have been using iCalendar (RFC5545) fully appreciate. This is true, but any specific local time will always occur at a specific universal time, so this isn't actually a problem.
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