Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration
Marshall Eubanks <tme@multicasttech.com> Fri, 23 May 2008 01:25 UTC
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From: Marshall Eubanks <tme@multicasttech.com>
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Subject: Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration
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On May 22, 2008, at 1:08 PM, Bob Braden wrote: > >> >> >> Here is a concrete suggestion. >> >> We (for some definition of we) have the Internet Journal, which is >> paper. >> Publish a "Supplement of the Internet Journal," in paper, or on line, >> which is >> >> - physically published 3 times a year >> - has all of the RFC's published since then > > I meant, of course, since the last one. > The average RFC is 30 pages, and the average publication rate > is O(30) per month. That seems to work out to 3600 pages to > be published with each Internet Journal. > Or order 10^4 pages per year for the Supplement. BTW, it strikes me as interesting that in the physical archives of the IETF Trust there are zero pages of printed RFCs. There are the cut and paste-on-paper viewgraph originals from IETF-1, but no printed RFC's. Regards Marshall Regards Marshall > Bob Braden > >> - includes the level 1 RFC errata as available >> - includes other notes like RFC's that have been made obsolete, etc. >> - charge it to cover costs at least (say, $ 500 / year for a >> subscription). >> >> This would be picked up by at least some libraries, and would solve >> the "on-line is ephemera" problem. >> >> Regards >> Marshall >> >> >> >> >> >> Marshall, to your point: >> >> >> >>> It is easy to find RFC's now, but it may not be in a century. >> >>> >> >>> This may seem silly, but I think that RFCs will still >> >>> have relevance in a century and, having experience >> >>> searching for 100+ year old astronomical publications >> >>> and data, in my opinion, RFC's need to be cataloged in >> >>> libraries. >> >>> >> >>> Libraries have running code for the maintenance of >> >>> intellectual property over centuries; the IETF does not. >> >> >> >> I agree with you 100%. I think this is indeed a tangible and >> >> desirable objective. >> > >> > Indeed. And libraries, especially the subset of libraries that >> > have national archival responsibilities, do pay attention to >> > these identifiers. >> > >> > john >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> IETF mailing list >> IETF@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > > _______________________________________________ IETF mailing list IETF@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
- ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Ray Pelletier
- Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration eburger
- Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Melinda Shore
- RE: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration David Harrington
- Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Randy Presuhn
- Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Pete Resnick
- Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Melinda Shore
- Re: [IAOC] ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Ray Pelletier
- Re: [IAOC] ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Pete Resnick
- Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Paul Hoffman
- Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Steve Crocker
- Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Dave Crocker
- Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration TS Glassey
- Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Melinda Shore
- Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Julian Reschke
- RE: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Eastlake III Donald-LDE008
- RE: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Dave Cridland
- RE: [IAOC] ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Richard Shockey
- Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Brian E Carpenter
- Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Melinda Shore
- Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration John Levine
- Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Frank Ellermann
- Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Eric Rescorla
- Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Brian E Carpenter
- RE: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Ed Juskevicius
- Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Bill Manning
- Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Bill Manning
- Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration John C Klensin
- Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration John C Klensin
- Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration John C Klensin
- Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Tom.Petch
- Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Melinda Shore
- Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration John C Klensin
- Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Marshall Eubanks
- Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Melinda Shore
- Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Steve Crocker
- Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration John C Klensin
- Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Marshall Eubanks
- RE: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Ed Juskevicius
- RE: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration John C Klensin
- Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Marshall Eubanks
- Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration John C Klensin
- Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Bill Manning
- Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Nevil Brownlee
- Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration John C Klensin
- RE: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration John C Klensin
- Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration John C Klensin
- Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Cullen Jennings
- Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Bob Braden
- Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Frank Ellermann
- Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration John C Klensin
- Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Marshall Eubanks
- Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Stephane Bortzmeyer
- RE: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Marshall Eubanks
- RE: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- Re: [IAOC] ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Marshall Eubanks
- Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Marshall Eubanks
- Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Frank Ellermann
- RE: [IAOC] ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Eastlake III Donald-LDE008
- RE: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Glen Zorn