Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC

["Paul Hoffman" <[e-mail]>]

On 2 Nov 2016, at 10:49, Ted Lemon wrote:

> I think that really what is going on here is that a very small number
> of people who talk a lot have prevented forward progress fixing an
> issue that significantly affects many IETF participants who aren't
> subscribed to ietf@ because of the noise factor and hence haven't seen
> the discussion.

That is the opposite impression that I have gotten. It feels to me that 
what has happened is that the same discussion happens in multiple places 
with groups that have only some overlap, a person in one group is sure 
they know the one true solution, and that no one else has thought of it 
before, so they think that people who say "look at this earlier 
discussion" are really saying "we don't want to hear from you".

Before I tuned out of this particular discussion (and I'm not sure why 
I'm tuning in again now...), I was pleasantly surprised by the amount of 
"A: we should do X" -> "B: but that would have the side-effect of Y" -> 
"A: arrgh, you're right. How about Z?" -> "C: that would have this side 
effect" that went on. It was a wide-ranging, open discussion of 
tradeoffs. After the third iteration, however, the participants maybe 
got a bit tired or restating them.

--Paul Hoffman