Re: HTML for email (was: Re: document writing/editing tools used by IETF)
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Subject: Re: HTML for email (was: Re: document writing/editing tools used by IETF)
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On Mon, Mar 01, 2021 at 12:05:49AM -0500, Keith Moore wrote: > Ok, but to be fair: HTML is a disaster for email. Mostly in the case of badly machine-generated HTML. I have little-difficulty with email sent by humans, where the MUA also emits a sensible text/plain variant. > Way back in the mid-1990s most of us thought it would work out ok, and > more likely to succeed than text/richtext. But we didn't really take > the time to understand the nature of the problem in either case. > It's hard to write a good html editor for email, especially one that > handles inline replies properly, and every single HTML editor for > email I know of botches this. Way back in the 90's I for one expected that HTML would work more poorly than it turned out. As for editors, Apple's Mail.app does a fine job of editing both HTML and non-HTML email, and handles quoting and inline replies well. It is mostly Outlook that's historically poor at RFC2822 and MIME support, because ... MAPI and NIH. This is not a hard problem, the real issue is that the industry has not for some time been investing much effort into improving MUAs, its all walled gardens and cloud now. -- Viktor.
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