Re: DMARC methods in mailman --- [LEDE-DEV] DMARC related mass bounces / disabled subscriptions (fwd) Jo-Philipp Wich: [LEDE-DEV] DMARC related mass bounces / disabled subscriptions

Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca> Thu, 15 December 2016 20:14 UTC

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From: Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca>
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Subject: Re: DMARC methods in mailman --- [LEDE-DEV] DMARC related mass bounces / disabled subscriptions (fwd) Jo-Philipp Wich: [LEDE-DEV] DMARC related mass bounces / disabled subscriptions
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On Thu, 15 Dec 2016, Michael Richardson wrote:

>    > On my mail reader that will show me a list of abbreviated senders who
>    > are all "IETF discussion list on behal"
>
>    > This is already the case for me on the unbound mailing list and makes
>    > it basically unreadable for me.
>
> Yes, that's why nobody likes the DMARC "work around" that munges the From:
> address.
>
> But, the alternative is that some email that someone autocompletes
> to Paul Wouters, auto-learnt from a post to "unbound" or some other list,
> goes to the list rather than you.

False dichotomy.

Paul