Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for last-call discussions
Tommy Pauly <tpauly@apple.com> Thu, 12 September 2019 22:26 UTC
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Subject: Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for last-call discussions
From: Tommy Pauly <tpauly@apple.com>
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+1, this will be a useful experiment! —Tommy > On Sep 12, 2019, at 9:14 AM, Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org> wrote: > > As we discussed in the plenary session at IETF 105 in Montréal, some > community members have suggested moving document last-call discussions > onto a dedicated "last-call" mailing list, and off of the general > <ietf@ietf.org> list. The latter is a high-volume list with a lot of > varied discussion, and some think that it would be useful to separate > the general discussion from the last-call discussion, to allow people > to choose which discussions (or both) to follow. In the IETF 105 > plenary, support was expressed for that separation. > > The IESG agrees, and wants to try an experiment to that end. We > propose to create <last-call@ietf.org> and to direct last-call > comments and discussions there (the last-call announcements would > still go to <ietf-announce@ietf.org>, with "reply-to" set to the new > list). That list would be monitored by volunteers recruited by the > IETF Chair, and digressions would be nudged back to <ietf@ietf.org>, > while we would ask people having last-call discussions on this list to > please move them to the new list. We would get the tools team > involved so that the distribution lists for directorate and > review-team reviews would be updated appropriately. > > Our plan is to create the new list and pre-subscribe everyone who is > subscribed to <ietf@ietf.org> at that time. Of course, anyone could > unsubscribe to either or both lists immediately or later, but we think > that doing it this way would minimize the likelihood that people would > miss important stuff because of the move, and folks can choose what > they prefer from there. > > After six months, we would do an initial evaluation, including getting > feedback from the community, to see how the experiment is working. If > it seems worth continuing we would do so, and at a point that the > community decides that the experiment is a success (should it so > decide), we would start an update to BCP 45 to formally move the > location for last-call discussions, and we would update the 2007 IESG > Statement on Last Call Guidance. > > We invite comments, here, on this plan, by the end of September. As I > say above, we've heard support from the community for the general > idea, and we'd like to make sure this direction is what the community > wants. > > Barry, for the IESG >
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- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Eric Rescorla
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Ross Finlayson
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Barry Leiba
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Richard Barnes
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Tim Chown
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Barry Leiba
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Tim Wattenberg
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Barry Leiba
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Randy Bush
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Christopher Wood
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Tommy Pauly
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… John C Klensin
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Rob Sayre
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Barry Leiba
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Bob Hinden
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Eric Rescorla
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Barry Leiba
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… S Moonesamy
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… John C Klensin
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Barry Leiba
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… John C Klensin
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Pete Resnick
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… S Moonesamy
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Barry Leiba
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… S Moonesamy
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Barry Leiba
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Eric Rescorla
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Melinda Shore
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Eric Rescorla
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Melinda Shore
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Keith Moore
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Eric Rescorla
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Eliot Lear
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… avri doria
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Eric Rescorla
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Eliot Lear
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… John C Klensin
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Barry Leiba
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Julian Reschke
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Melinda Shore
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… John C Klensin
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… John C Klensin
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Keith Moore
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Rob Sayre
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Pete Resnick
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… John C Klensin
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Rob Sayre
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… John Levine
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Rob Sayre
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… tom petch
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Paul Wouters
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Robert Sparks
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Keith Moore
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Jared Mauch
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… tom petch
- RE: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… 7riw77
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… tom petch