Re: IPv10.
"Scott O. Bradner" <sob@sobco.com> Sat, 12 November 2016 20:04 UTC
Return-Path: <sob@sobco.com>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14E0D12942F for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 12 Nov 2016 12:04:44 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.109
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.109 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O5gCPJilaNX5 for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 12 Nov 2016 12:04:42 -0800 (PST)
Received: from sobco.sobco.com (unknown [136.248.127.164]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E4671295D6 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Sat, 12 Nov 2016 12:04:38 -0800 (PST)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sobco.sobco.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EB4E320DFDD for <ietf@ietf.org>; Sat, 12 Nov 2016 15:04:37 -0500 (EST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at sobco.com
Received: from sobco.sobco.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (sobco.sobco.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NlRJ7f8Gmjrs for <ietf@ietf.org>; Sat, 12 Nov 2016 15:04:36 -0500 (EST)
Received: from golem.sobco.com (golem.sobco.com [136.248.127.162]) by sobco.sobco.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9EBBA320DFCA for <ietf@ietf.org>; Sat, 12 Nov 2016 15:04:36 -0500 (EST)
From: "Scott O. Bradner" <sob@sobco.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.1 \(3251\))
Subject: Re: IPv10.
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 15:04:36 -0500
References: <HE1PR04MB1449514D421EAC698335EE99BDBB0@HE1PR04MB1449.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com> <37c3bc17-daa1-cac0-3848-5eb97350b87c@kit.edu> <m260ntlcra.wl-randy@psg.com> <656b8d28-6632-ddb3-34d4-5468a778cae2@gmail.com> <f57296b7-8a03-9d65-ef17-1ff1ad929de5@isi.edu>
To: IETF discussion list <ietf@ietf.org>
In-Reply-To: <f57296b7-8a03-9d65-ef17-1ff1ad929de5@isi.edu>
Message-Id: <765D1E74-64DB-4A1A-978D-46BD7E21D680@sobco.com>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3251)
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/KH1jX3Umpe80LNMslz54VVqh6JA>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 20:04:44 -0000
see also - http://www.sobco.com/ipng/big_ten/big_ten_packet_format.txt and http://www.sobco.com/ipng/big_ten/big_ten_address_format.txt variable length addresses were considered for IPng (now IPv6) - for various reasons, including the same issue Int raised of perceived programming complexity in the hosts, the idea was not adopted Scott > On Nov 12, 2016, at 2:44 PM, Bob Braden <braden@ISI.EDU> wrote: > > Brian et al, > > I have not been paying attention to this thread, but Brian's answer got my attention. I was in the room in 1977 when the decision was made to use fixed-length 32 bit IP addresses. I did not have a strong opinion at the time, but at least two members of the Internet research group, Jon Postel and Danny Cohen, strongly urged variable length IP addresses. As manager of ARPA's Internet Research program, Vint Cerf made the call for fixed length addresses. His argument was that if we were to have any hope that the DoD might accept the experimental protocols, TCP must not be too complex to program. He thought that variable-length addresses would scare off our possible customers. > > Incidentally, the OSI folks did adopt variable -length network addresses; this was one of the advantages of OSI that later led the IAB to suggest that the Internet shou ld consider adapting the OSI protocols. Which caused the famous Kobe lynching of the (original) IAB. > > Good heavens, 1977 was 40 years ago! > > Bob Braden > > > > > for a problem, that is IMHO not very clearly described.ally, > >>> how about ipv4 and ipv6 are incompatible on the wire and this >>> has created a multi-decade ipv6 charlie foxtrot? >> Yes, I suggest mentioning that to Vint, Bob and a few others in 1977, >> so that they can design IPv4 with extensible addresses. People in >> 2016 will be grateful. >> >> Brian >> >
- IPv10. Khaled Omar
- Re: IPv10. Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: IPv10. JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- IPv10. Khaled Omar
- Re: IPv10. Laurent Kuffert
- Re: IPv10. Randy Bush
- Re: IPv10. Bless, Roland (TM)
- Re: IPv10. Antonio Prado
- Re: IPv10. Emily Shepherd
- Re: IPv10. Musa Stephen Honlue
- Re: IPv10. Musa Stephen Honlue
- IPv10. Khaled Omar
- Re: IPv10. James R Cutler
- RE: IPv10. Khaled Omar
- Re: IPv10. Brian E Carpenter
- Re: IPv10. Mark Smith
- Re: IPv10. Randy Bush
- Re: IPv10. Brian E Carpenter
- Re: IPv10. Mark Smith
- RE: IPv10. Latif LADID [IPv6-based Internet]
- IPv10 nalini.elkins
- Re: IPv10. Bob Braden
- Re: IPv10. Brian E Carpenter
- Re: IPv10. Scott O. Bradner
- Re: IPv10. Scott O. Bradner
- RE: IPv10. Latif LADID [IPv6-based Internet]
- RE: IPv10. Latif LADID [IPv6-based Internet]
- RE: IPv10. Latif LADID [IPv6-based Internet]
- RE: IPv10. Latif LADID [IPv6-based Internet]
- Re: IPv10. Brian E Carpenter
- Re: IPv10. Peter Tattam
- Re: IPv10. Michal Krsek
- Re: IPv10. Michal Krsek
- RE: IPv10. Michel Py
- IPv10. Khaled Omar
- Re: IPv10. Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: IPv10. shogunx
- Re: IPv10. Tim Chown
- Re: IPv10. Khaled Omar
- Re: IPv10. joel jaeggli
- Re: IPv10. Tim Chown
- Re: IPv10. Richard Hartmann
- Re: IPv10. Octavio Alvarez