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Re: Level of consultation (Re: a note about the scenarios)

"John Loughney" <john.loughney@kolumbus.fi> Mon, 27 September 2004 15:54 UTC

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From: John Loughney <john.loughney@kolumbus.fi>
To: Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no>
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 18:42:18 +0300
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Harald,

> And - while I don't think John really means that - what I could read into 
> John's remark as the extreme position is that NOBODY could take a 
> decision to "go off on this adventure" - we just have to let the IETF go to 
> hell in a handbasket, and let the IETF community reach consensus that 
> this was a sad result.

I have heard that there have been some problems with the Secretariat, I 
have not been privy to the fact that the IETF is going to hell in a handbasket. 
Are things so dire? I have been much more concerned about other problrms
in the IETF, though I'm feeling rather burnt out on that topic as well.

John L.  
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