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Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Fri, 08 May 2026 00:41 UTC

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> We welcome community input on whether this standard is the correct one, and if we're applying it in the right way.

I'm replying intentionally before reading anyone else's opinion.

I saw Rich's message and I certainly raised an eyebrow. At the time, the phrase running through my mind was "Our club, our rules." But I didn't send it because Rich had already effectively sent the same message. Yes, his choice of metaphor was somehwat belittling, and it would have been better to s/you/somebody/ to underline that it applies to all of us. However, I appreciate the fact that IETF discourse is informal so I personally would have let this one slide.

(fwiw I have no idea who Robert Fulgham is/was.)
Regards/Ngā mihi
    Brian Carpenter

On 08-May-26 03:32, Chris Box wrote:
> On Thu, 7 May 2026 at 16:19, Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com <mailto:noloader@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
>     Is it safe to say the Moderators stepped in without being asked?
> 
> 
> It's not safe to say that. We received a complaint from a longstanding list participant, and it wasn't Daniel Bernstein.
> 
>     Perhaps the moderators should stay in their lane until a real dispute
> 
>     arises or asked to intervene.
> 
> 
> To clarify, here's the standard we are seeking to apply.
> 
> RFC 7154: IETF Guidelines for Conduct <https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7154.html>
> 
>     1. IETF participants extend respect and courtesy to their colleagues
>        at all times.
> 
>     2. IETF participants have impersonal discussions.
>        We dispute ideas by using reasoned argument rather than through
> 
>        intimidation or personal attack.
> 
> https://github.com/ietf/Moderators/blob/main/uncivil-commentary.md <https://github.com/ietf/Moderators/blob/main/uncivil-commentary.md>
> 
>     Attacks can come in several forms. They include personally attacking people for their opinions, beliefs, or ideas rather than criticizing the opinions, beliefs, and ideas themselves. They include name-calling, insulting, demeaning, and belittling people.
> 
> We welcome community input on whether this standard is the correct one, and if we're applying it in the right way.
> 
> Chris

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