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Re: Things that used to be clear (was Re: Evolving Documents (nee "Living Documents") side meeting at IETF105.)

Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Wed, 10 July 2019 16:56 UTC

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From: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
To: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>, IETF Rinse Repeat <ietf@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: Things that used to be clear (was Re: Evolving Documents (nee "Living Documents") side meeting at IETF105.)
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Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
    > done in the ietf.  i think the barriers we place to entry are not so
    > much xml, which pretty much anyone who has a *technical* contribution
    > can deal with in short.  it is arrogance, arcane rituals, artificial
    > arguments, and alliteration.

+1

I expect engineers who want to contribute to how the Internet works to know
how to make a HTML page that can validate using the most basic of editor.
The web is now older than many university students.

Our XML format is no more arcane than HTML4, and there are easier ways
(markdown, word template, etc.), and people could also contribute to existing
documents and get help from existing authors. It's not like someone should
be doing base jumping on their first day here.

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Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works
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