Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-46.txt> (Basic support for IPv6 over IEEE Std 802.11 Networks operating Outside the Context of a Basic Service Set (IPv6-over-80211-OCB)) to Proposed Standard
Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Fri, 14 June 2019 02:25 UTC
Return-Path: <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8819120075; Thu, 13 Jun 2019 19:25:31 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.998
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XdCabrTjmmP6; Thu, 13 Jun 2019 19:25:29 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-pf1-x42e.google.com (mail-pf1-x42e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::42e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9CA761200F9; Thu, 13 Jun 2019 19:25:29 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-pf1-x42e.google.com with SMTP id d126so436581pfd.2; Thu, 13 Jun 2019 19:25:29 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZjjgvGA1pIQtujssOVf205y6JVNnufQ/o4u7jMhP07s=; b=rw13ojtXNMfPlBaDQnr81f5CwqAkV7JkcRYf3fIPfbfZb2Av2EBJlVLGTdbK2wYEhA bD6t+JEX6M04YQTe4biy3hWnj0id3PbGG+mLOoL58oIDeJjYCaMvCuh8ZQwAL6y9IZJH WK2ElOwgnqJIGUYmb+f1zwwhE7xAVVkM7FAvUhOs/gDvSFKgq+UXlyBqAYEvt693nZHc BBI4pRy3q00AdYiaU8UganSDvcOOOlniW9IdlW7Rf6fsmr9q8ETxU7BZL8m7jLIy5tNH YIBWTwtSkJtLebtsmt6f7Jyf4ArkpUVfsE5NwaG67I9MUCj37rpBefP2mPESoJE6owax F0tQ==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZjjgvGA1pIQtujssOVf205y6JVNnufQ/o4u7jMhP07s=; b=FUdWwjRmoZKiFLljsSUL2XrTU+IVmlccFBUQLZZIEHotgoPJLDjlPwO5G/q+/QeCH9 ktoATDRqEZpO18D8EZDFzS/ErzxYw4NYyEUZJqUFE2VUMduqe45Ix379t0DDUX6DDsQo 62MLY+VbD5k2dhqPEtyDTldMS879TgaA/ipuZtj43aWEwf9ZVrBEAIdu4s+QaMt0C/eo 3Kj3zA1zWln/6hxvShkv7aOEqUQE9Nccikqdg6yq7yDubeNov1Y4ZY9FOD0D69LhcXzM lFMQXJ+UMYMuA+GUMuZgPR7AAW3GW//lDjXtKk3Rvb0JEs4x48z0HWRUC0CmwB/TbfZt pPJA==
X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXg9hXHYBzJe9UAA2wmWVBsApb/aeGplFqAplLVv89/Xeza0AB6 uVe2XWwc6v2xupaAlVxwBOC5XZ4D
X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyObj6WOoETMN6H5NZytk7vn6BU56lfNgdVhz1AjEdM2LSv3kRGUBblyNVi8HBWCP0pdXph3A==
X-Received: by 2002:a62:6143:: with SMTP id v64mr59402002pfb.42.1560479128844; Thu, 13 Jun 2019 19:25:28 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from [192.168.178.30] (32.23.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz. [123.255.23.32]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x7sm944577pfm.82.2019.06.13.19.25.25 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 13 Jun 2019 19:25:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-46.txt> (Basic support for IPv6 over IEEE Std 802.11 Networks operating Outside the Context of a Basic Service Set (IPv6-over-80211-OCB)) to Proposed Standard
To: 神明達哉 <jinmei@wide.ad.jp>, IETF Discussion <ietf@ietf.org>
Cc: draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb@ietf.org, suresh@kaloom.com, its@ietf.org, ipwave-chairs@ietf.org
References: <156036699018.14103.3418388853567464610.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <CAJE_bqenEbP9H7eW9tvRjY5YF+YCKbuC6ddqBLB9buNSKApkiQ@mail.gmail.com>
From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a46b0c37-ffaa-f84c-14e9-c67721d61472@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 14:25:23 +1200
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: <CAJE_bqenEbP9H7eW9tvRjY5YF+YCKbuC6ddqBLB9buNSKApkiQ@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-Language: en-US
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/Kcrs2oFgM1opaMMnT3IgXjBcjwk>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 02:25:32 -0000
I fully agree with Jinmei-san's comment. Regards Brian Carpenter On 14-Jun-19 06:50, 神明達哉 wrote: > On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 12:16 PM The IESG <iesg-secretary@ietf.org <mailto:iesg-secretary@ietf.org>> wrote: > >> The IESG has received a request from the IP Wireless Access in >> Vehicular Environments WG (ipwave) to consider the following >> document: - 'Basic support for IPv6 over IEEE Std 802.11 Networks >> operating Outside the Context of a Basic Service Set >> (IPv6-over-80211-OCB)' <draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-46.txt> >> as Proposed Standard > >> The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and >> solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive >> comments to the ietf@ietf.org <mailto:ietf@ietf.org> mailing lists by 2019-06-26. > > Version 46 of this draft doesn't seem to specify the exact length > of the interface identifier.. RFC4862 expects it to be specified in > this kind of "link-type specific document": > > interface identifier - [...] The > exact length of an interface identifier and the way it is created > is defined in a separate link-type specific document that covers > issues related to the transmission of IP over a particular link > type (e.g., [RFC2464]). Note that the address architecture > [RFC4291] also defines the length of the interface identifiers for > some set of addresses, but the two sets of definitions must be > consistent. > > Specifying the length is critical since (for example) otherwise an > implementation can't perform the validation described in Section 5.5.3 of > RFC4862. > > I suggest Section 4.4 (and probably also 4.3 for link-local) of this > draft explicitly specifies the length of the interface identifier. > And then I'd note that the length can (in practice) only be 64 bits > because of the assumption about the consistency with the address > architecture (the "Note that..." part of the above citation) and > because of the fact that the current address architecture states the > length is 64 bits for link-local and practically all global IPv6 > addresses in use. I'm aware of the (in)famous tussle on the use of > the fixed value of 64, but I'm not making this comment for advocating > for the fixed value; I'm just pointing out a logical consequence of > the assumption of the current SLAAC standard and the constants used in > the current standards. > > -- > JINMEI, Tatuya > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 12:16 PM The IESG <iesg-secretary@ietf.org <mailto:iesg-secretary@ietf.org>> wrote: > > > The IESG has received a request from the IP Wireless Access in Vehicular > Environments WG (ipwave) to consider the following document: - 'Basic support > for IPv6 over IEEE Std 802.11 Networks operating Outside > the Context of a Basic Service Set (IPv6-over-80211-OCB)' > <draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-46.txt> as Proposed Standard > > The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final > comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the > ietf@ietf.org <mailto:ietf@ietf.org> mailing lists by 2019-06-26. Exceptionally, comments may be > sent to iesg@ietf.org <mailto:iesg@ietf.org> instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of > the Subject line to allow automated sorting. > > Abstract > > > This document provides methods and settings, and describes > limitations, for using IPv6 to communicate among nodes in range of > one another over a single IEEE 802.11-OCB link with minimal change to > existing stacks. Optimizations and usage of IPv6 over more complex > scenarios is not covered and is subject of future work. > > > > > The file can be obtained via > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb/ > > IESG discussion can be tracked via > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb/ballot/ > > > No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. > > > The document contains these normative downward references. > See RFC 3967 for additional information: > rfc3753: Mobility Related Terminology (Informational - IETF stream) > rfc7721: Security and Privacy Considerations for IPv6 Address Generation Mechanisms (Informational - IETF stream) > rfc5889: IP Addressing Model in Ad Hoc Networks (Informational - IETF stream) > rfc6959: Source Address Validation Improvement (SAVI) Threat Scope (Informational - IETF stream) > > > >