Re: Observations on (non-technical) changes affecting IETF operations

"Joel M. Halpern" <> Mon, 07 March 2016 04:29 UTC

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Subject: Re: Observations on (non-technical) changes affecting IETF operations
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As far as I can tell, the assertion that the space has been fully 
explored is simply not supported by the facts.  In every area where I 
have enough familiarity to know, we are finding new things, making new 
mistakes, and finding new ways to make things work better.


On 3/6/16 10:54 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
>>> Very interesting write up. IMHO, the hardest challenge facing IETF is
>>> that "Internet has been working over several decades".
>>> All the obvious technologies needed to enable Internet have been
>>> developed already. All that left are tweaks and minor improvement.
> one of my faves
> It's perfectly appropriate to be upset.  I thought of it in a slightly
> different way--like a space that we were exploring and, in the early days,
> we figured out this consistent path through the space: IP, TCP, and so on.
> What's been happening over the last few years is that the IETF is filling
> the rest of the space with every alternative approach, not necessarily any
> better.  Every possible alternative is now being written down.  And it's not
> useful.  -- Jon Postel