Re: IETF Last Call for two IPR WG Dcouments

[Brian E Carpenter <[e-mail]>]

While not really disagreeing with Leslie and Olaf, I would
point out that the IPR WG was chartered to look at
IETF documents. We can have a meta-discussion about
where the clarifications belong, but it seems to me
that the WG consensus definitely assumed that scope
and no wider scope. I'd be happy if that was made
clear in the drafts, rather than trying to cover
the other documents streams by some kind of awkward
retro-fit.

   Brian

On 2008-03-28 08:15, Leslie Daigle wrote:
> 
> --On March 27, 2008 10:33:24 AM +0100 Olaf Kolkman <[e-mail]> 
> wrote:
>> I would think that the document would gain in clarity if it explicitly
>> ties the incoming rights to the streams as defined in RFC4844 and also
>> explicitly calls out that if new streams would be defined those should
>> specifically define if and how rights are transferred to the IETF Trust.
> 
> I would have to agree with the above, and say further that the
> the IAB should make sure that the entities responsible for
> the non-IETF streams are okay with the result.
> 
> When writing the streams definitions, it was clear that there was a
> lot of material that was spread across existing documents without
> clear delineation between "IETF" or "non-IETF" documents, let
> alone further refinement into what has become "streams".  THat's
> understandable, historically, but we should be clearer going
> forward.  Breaking it out, as you suggest, would be consistent
> with that goal.
> 
> Leslie.
> 
>>
>> While reviewing the documents I tried to determine how the 4 streams
>> currently defined in RFC4844 fit into the framework.
>>
>> Although the stream is not specifically mentioned it is clear that the
>> incoming rights document applies to the IETF Stream.
>>
>> To me it is clear that a contribution to the IAB is explicitly bound by
>> the rules (including the No Duty to Publish rule, that allows for
>> confidential information to be supplied to the IAB), so are contributions
>> from the IAB, i.e. IAB stream document. I conclude this from the fact
>> that "IAB" is part of the IETF under the definition in 1.e. However, I
>> may be over-interpreting, and the status of the incoming rights for the
>> IAB stream is also not captured.
>>
>> The independent stream document are clearly excluded by section 4 of the
>> document.
>>
>> It is not quite clear where the IRTF stream document live. This could be
>> fixed in a document which defines the IRTF stream.
>>
>> I would think that the document would gain in clarity if it explicitly
>> ties the incoming rights to the streams as defined in RFC4844 and also
>> explicitly calls out that if new streams would be defined those should
>> specifically define if and how rights are transfered to the IETF Trust.
>>
>>
>>
>> --Olaf (no hats)
>>
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