"We did not know" is not a good excuse

"Adrian Farrel" <adrian@olddog.co.uk> Wed, 06 April 2016 23:35 UTC

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From: Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
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Subject: "We did not know" is not a good excuse
Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2016 00:34:53 +0100
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One might assume that a step in the selection of a location is to look at some
advice for travellers.
One such source of information is the US State Department. (Not the source of
all wisdom, but a source of some information.)

https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/country/singapore.html has a
sizeable section on LGBT rights and associate issues.

Yes, this is hard to get right and people make mistakes.
Yes, move on.

How do we move on so:
- this problem stops being a problem for IETF 100
- this problem does not recur