Re: [IAOC] [IAB] Proposed IETF Privacy Policy for Review

Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca> Thu, 17 March 2016 12:50 UTC

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From: Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca>
Subject: Re: [IAOC] [IAB] Proposed IETF Privacy Policy for Review
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 08:49:57 -0400
To: Scott Bradner <sob@sobco.com>
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> On Mar 17, 2016, at 08:27, Scott Bradner <sob@sobco.com> wrote:
> 
> the lawyers we consulted said that it was important to say what was said
> 
> setting up a web site designed for people under 13 is a major effort (verifying ages of users etc)
> 
> this seemed the best way (the first proposal we got was to say that people under 13 could
> not use the site)

When law requires you to basically lie, the law needs updating. But I agree we shouldn't spend ietf money on that.

Paul

> 
> Scott
> 
>> On Mar 17, 2016, at 8:23 AM, Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 17, 2016, at 08:13, Scott Bradner <sob@sobco.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I agree but the law is what the law is 
>>> 
>>> see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children's_Online_Privacy_Protection_Act
>>> 
>>> the wording used says that its fine if the kid has parental OK
>> 
>> But then there is no need to say our website is not designed for people under 13. They are designed for people of all ages.
>> 
>> Paul 
>> 
>> 
>>> Scott
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 17, 2016, at 8:09 AM, Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> My only issue is that it claims our websites are not for use by children under 13. They most certainly are.
>>>> 
>>>> Paul
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 17, 2016, at 03:01, Eggert, Lars <lars@netapp.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Ray,
>>>>> 
>>>>> would this extend to and cover the IRTF as well?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Lars
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2016-03-16, at 18:02, IETF Administrative Director <iad@ietf.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The IAOC would like community input on a proposed IETF Privacy Policy.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We are required by California law (and good net citizenship) to have
>>>>>> an accurate privacy policy on our websites.  Counsel have reviewed
>>>>>> this statement for compliance with US and EU privacy regulations.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The policy discusses the following:
>>>>>> 1.  General – Most Personal Data Submitted to IETF Will Become Public
>>>>>> 2.  You Consent to International Transmission of Your Data
>>>>>> 3.  Exceptions – Information That We Do Not Release to the Public
>>>>>> 4.  Security
>>>>>> 5.  Children
>>>>>> 6.  Inquiries
>>>>>> 7.  Compliance
>>>>>> 8.  Other Organizations
>>>>>> 9.  Consent
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The proposed Privacy Policy is located here:
>>>>>> http://iaoc.ietf.org/documents/IETF-General-Privacy-Statement-2016-02-24-02.htm
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The IAOC will consider all comments received by 31 March 2016.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ray Pelletier
>>>>>> IETF Administrative Director
>>