Re: [Int-area] Google Statistics for IPv6 adoption.

JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@consulintel.es> Sun, 16 April 2017 08:32 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Int-area] Google Statistics for IPv6 adoption.
From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@consulintel.es>
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And actually, in general, nobody complains that any hosts in IPv4 is not able to access resources at IPv6 hosts. This is why we have the transition mechanism, that are being deployed in parallel to the IPv6 deployment.

Nobody is so crazy to just deploy IPv6 and do not provide those transition mechanisms.

If that happens, clearly is the fault of somebody that doesn’t know how to do his job. This can happen exactly the same if your protocol becomes approved and some folks don’t update their hosts or routers to comply with your protocol, right?

Saludos,
Jordi
 

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Asunto: RE: [Int-area] Google Statistics for IPv6 adoption.

    Hi Jordi,
    
    Internet is a global network that covers the whole world (of course it is known by all), a single host that resides in one region should access resources everywhere, it will be a shame when this one host can access only resources from the same IP version that he uses.
    
    It is good that IPv6 is deployed on the most well-known websites (such as Google, Facebook, etc.) but that doesn't mean that the Internet is only websites, there are many other resources (services), eventually all must be assigned an IP address.
    
    The case is to allow IPv4 only hosts to communicate with IPv6 only hosts (for 6-to-6 and 4-to-4 is not the problem), so deploying a solution for that division problem should be introduced ASAP or the Internet will have a bad reputation due to the separation between hosts.
    
    The IETF should take that responsibility over the shoulder, because think about those with IPv6 only address, they can access only 15% of the Internet, will they have to wait some other years to be able to access everything on the Internet, I don't think they should do that.
    
    Anyway, I think the solution is on your hands now, the decision to publish it is not my responsibility, but I'm sure a solution will be found for this problem regardless it will be IPv10 or something else.
    
    Best Regards,
    
    Khaled Omar
    
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    From: ietf [mailto:ietf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
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    Subject: Re: [Int-area] Google Statistics for IPv6 adoption.
    
    Stats are always a reference, but if you look only to a single data set, you will have a broken view.
    
    Look at the data of the mobile operators in many countries, that only deliver IPv6 connectivity, such as US, India, few EU countries, now Japan, or even wireline providers in every continent of the world, that have IPv6 penetration figures much higher than what Google average is showing.
    
    For those that work every day deploying IPv6 since many years ago, we have seen a trend change, the light at the end of the tunnel, already a few years ago.
    
    Regards,
    Jordi
     
    
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    De: Int-area <int-area-bounces@ietf.org>; en nombre de Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@hotmail.com>; Responder a: <eng.khaled.omar@hotmail.com>;
    Fecha: sábado, 15 de abril de 2017, 19:52
    Para: Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com>;
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    Asunto: Re: [Int-area] Google Statistics for IPv6 adoption.
    
        Hi Christopher,
         
        >
        'what was said earlier' - citation requested.
         
        What I said means that since I wrote the IPv10 I-D on Google blogger, I wrote that the deployment of IPv6 is about 5% of the Internet traffic, and I got responses from some IETF members Just claiming that this is a wrong percentage and
         the real exceeds 60% and gave me some examples of mobile providers’ statistics.
         
        So, this Google statistics confirms what I had said earlier because I got this percent from some online statistics that belongs to the IP address assignment process.
         
        I would like to thank Google for the efforts made to make this measurements and provide a respectful and real statistics that describes the recent situation so we can make decisions based on it.
         
        Best Regards,
         
        Khaled Omar 
         
         
        From: christopher.morrow@gmail.com [mailto:christopher.morrow@gmail.com]
        On Behalf Of Christopher Morrow
        Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 7:16 PM
        To: Khaled Omar
        Cc: int-area; intarea-ads; ietf; intarea-chairs
        Subject: Re: Google Statistics for IPv6 adoption.
         
         
         
        On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@hotmail.com>; wrote:
        
        Hi all,
        
        Please check out this link that shows the statistics of the IPv6 adoption over the past 10 years maybe it will make you believe what was said earlier.
        
        
         
        
        'what was said earlier' - citation requested.
        
         
        
        
        
         https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html
        
        Recent IPv6 adoption (April, 2017) is:
        14.83% Native - 0.03% 6to4 - 14.87% Total
        
        Best regards,
        
        Khaled Omar
        
        
        
         
        
        
        
        
        
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