Re: Alternative decision process in RTCWeb

Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@gmail.com> Thu, 28 November 2013 17:50 UTC

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On 11/28/13 2:29 AM, Eric Burger wrote:
> More to the point, if the WG cannot come to IETF consensus, that
> itself is sufficient to let the IESG know the WG (a bunch of close
> experts) is not *READY* to select a single codec. If the WG is not
> *READY* to pick a single codec, neither is the IETF.

This strikes me as precisely the issue.  If there's no
consensus there's no consensus.

Melinda