Re: List moderator action

[Bron Gondwana <[e-mail]>]

Yeah, no.

Protocols work when everybody follows them.  The protocol for posting to the IETF list is clear and has been articulated "don't put the bullshit footer on there, it's not part of the IETF list communication protocol".  The moderation team have said quite clearly "your messages are wasting the time of thousands of people with this extra nonsense".

I have limited sympathy for Dan in this.  He may have a good point.  It's been made really clear how he can make it.  If he doesn't wish to speak "IETF mailing list" protocol, then that's his willing choice.

We don't change any of our other published protocols just because one weirdo decides that they want to interpret the line protocol differently than what's written in the RFC.  They might be lucky and their packets get through anyway, they might not.  Be liberal in what you accept and all that.

But also, be conservative in what you send.  Dan is violating that, and reaping the consequences of his choice.  This is no comment on the content of his messages, merely on the continued use of unnecessary text.  WHY SHOULD I BE FORCED TO IGNORE THEM?  Me and thousands of others.  Nope.  We should not force thousands of people to adjust for the malbehaviour of the few.  Sorry.  Nope.

Dan knows perfectly well how to have his messages read by this list, and can make his choice about whether he wants that more than he wants to cling to said boilerplate.

Bron.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2026, at 04:29, Eric Heflin wrote:
> Actions like this are killing the IETF. We should have a simple policy that any legal language in emails posted by members is to be ignored and have no effect ... and then remove censorship.
> 
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2026, 1:02 PM Chris Box <[e-mail]> wrote:
>> Everyone,
>> 
>> This message is to advise you that Daniel J Bernstein has been partially suspended from posting to [e-mail] for a period of 30 days. This follows the posting of derivative rights claims [1] to the list in contravention of our previous request in [2]. The format of the notice is different to those used previously, but still seeks to apply the named restrictions "*may not be modified, and derivative works of it may not be **created, and it may not be published except as an Internet-Draft*" to his email contribution, via the sentence "*The same language hereby applies to this document.*" Such restrictions are considered disruptive following [3].
>> 
>> This suspension is implemented as a "hold for moderation". If Daniel posts a message to the list that doesn't contain the rights claim and is on topic, it should be allowed through. This may take up to two working days.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Chris Box on behalf of the Moderators team for [e-mail]
>> 
>> [1] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/145uUy-1rJ9ca8SHUDEPqxnKQ4Q/ is the most recent example.
>> [2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/sx4j7BMLiGe_jGqpD6Kc3nvTS30/
>> [3] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/statement-iesg-statement-on-clarifying-derivative-works-rights/
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 at 18:30, Chris Box <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>> Everyone,
>>> 
>>> This message is to advise you that Daniel J Bernstein has been partially suspended from posting to [e-mail] for a period of 30 days. This follows the posting of a derivative rights claim [1] to the list in contravention of our previous request in [2]. Such claims are considered disruptive following [3]. This suspension is implemented as a "hold for moderation". If Daniel posts a message to the list that doesn't contain the rights claim and is on topic, it should be allowed through. This may take up to two working days.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Chris Box on behalf of the Moderators team for [e-mail]
>>> 
>>> [1] At the end of https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/PStIAGIP2gbTNUPrr3t2jUjnS6g/
>>> [2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/sx4j7BMLiGe_jGqpD6Kc3nvTS30/
>>> [3] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/statement-iesg-statement-on-clarifying-derivative-works-rights/
>>> 
>>> 

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