Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sanctioned countries
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From: "Livingood, Jason" <Jason_Livingood@comcast.com>
To: Fernando Gont <fernando@gont.com.ar>, "'ietf@ietf.org'" <ietf@ietf.org>, "admin-discuss@ietf.org" <admin-discuss@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sanctioned countries
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The best list for this is admin-discuss@ietf.org. I will reply shortly with a response to you and that list. Thanks Jason On 3/3/21, 4:33 PM, "ietf on behalf of Fernando Gont" <ietf-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of fernando@gont.com.ar> wrote: Folks, While studying the topic of diversity and inclusiveness in the IETF, the question arouse about what are the implications of the IETF LLC being registered in the USA. In particular, I'm concerned about the possible implications for participants from USA-sanctioned countries or organizations. I asked a few people here and there, and was referred to this document: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/IETF_LLC_OFAC_Compliance_Policy_2020-10-06.pdf__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!VSkOxyiXxuuG1uPa9USj7e3GAT2nL-D9ZpLeurEvTJzkrOjCTDqdumyOzkuZ_YU7lLlIhw$ That document contains text such as: ---- cut here ---- Meeting Registrations The current automated meeting registration system can continue, but at regular intervals, and no later than 30 days before the meeting begins, the list of registered participants and financial institutions associated with payment of registration fees must be checked (both for individual names and country of domicile and residence). ---- cut here ---- and ---- cut here ---- Action The IETF Executive Director will work with IETF LLC counsel to determine what action to take in each individual case. This may include not pursuing the contractual relationship, revoking the meeting registration, cancelling any existing contract or other action. ---- cut here ---- I'm certainly not a lawyer, and hence I'd like an authoritative and clear explanation about what are the possible outcomes of this "OFAC Compliance Policy". For example, could it result in participants from Cuba, Iran, Myanmar, North Korea, Sudan or Syria being rejected their registration, and hence being prevented to participate in IETF meetings? If that were the case, I'm sure that we'd all agree that that would be inappropriate, discriminatory, oppressive, and ultimately unacceptable. I hope that that's not even a possibility. Could anyone please clarify this? P.S.: Besides sanctions on countries such as the above, there also seems to be a whole list of people and organizations that are sanctioned/banned: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://home.treasury.gov/policy-issues/financial-sanctions/specially-designated-nationals-and-blocked-persons-list-sdn-human-readable-lists__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!VSkOxyiXxuuG1uPa9USj7e3GAT2nL-D9ZpLeurEvTJzkrOjCTDqdumyOzkuZ_YW28A79Fg$ Thanks, -- Fernando Gont e-mail: fernando@gont.com.ar || fgont@si6networks.com PGP Fingerprint: 7809 84F5 322E 45C7 F1C9 3945 96EE A9EF D076 FFF1
- IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sanctioned… Fernando Gont
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Keith Moore
- Re: [Gendispatch] IETF LLC & IETF Participation f… Bill Woodcock
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Livingood, Jason
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Fernando Gont
- Re: [Gendispatch] IETF LLC & IETF Participation f… John Levine
- Re: [Gendispatch] IETF LLC & IETF Participation f… Nico Williams
- Re: [admin-discuss] IETF LLC & IETF Participation… Fernando Gont
- Re: [admin-discuss] IETF LLC & IETF Participation… Keith Moore
- Re: [Gendispatch] IETF LLC & IETF Participation f… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Stewart Bryant
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Eliot Lear
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Keith Moore
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Keith Moore
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Eliot Lear
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Keith Moore
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Livingood, Jason
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… S Moonesamy
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Lars Eggert
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Keith Moore
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Fred Baker
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Fernando Gont
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Michael Richardson
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Keith Moore
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Christian Huitema
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Keith Moore
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Fernando Gont
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Bob Hinden
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Keith Moore
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Fred Baker
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Fernando Gont
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Toerless Eckert
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Toerless Eckert
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Khashayar Danesh