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Re: [art] Artart last call review of draft-ietf-core-links-json-07

Erik Wilde <erik.wilde@dret.net> Mon, 24 April 2017 12:48 UTC

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Subject: Re: [art] Artart last call review of draft-ietf-core-links-json-07
To: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>
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On 2017-04-24 13:52, Carsten Bormann wrote:
> On Apr 24, 2017, at 10:49, Erik Wilde <erik.wilde@dret.net> wrote:
>> - consider adding a serialization of web links to RFC 5988bis. this would address the problem of how to serialize web links outside of the HTTP link header field.
> Sounds good to me.
> What needs to be done to make sure links-json is a proper subset of this?

hard to tell as "this" is just speculation at this point. generally 
speaking, i don't think it's such a great idea to piggyback on standards 
and then reduce their expressiveness. imho that's one of the well-known 
anti-patterns of interop: (extended) subsets.

but if you're shooting for a subset i think that's where you are right now.

it would be better to make sure that serializations of web links 
actually can represent web links and not just some of the information 
that they convey. that train may have left the station with RFC 6690, 
but maybe for the JSON and CBOR serializations that can be changed.

cheers,

dret.

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