Re: PS Characterization Clarified
Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> Fri, 13 September 2013 18:03 UTC
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From: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>
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On Sep 13, 2013, at 16:56, Olaf Kolkman <olaf@NLnetLabs.nl> wrote: > * Added the Further Consideration section based on discussion on the > mailinglist. I believe the current document is fine for a major part of the IETF standards activities. It is, however, important to keep in mind that the IETF is not a homogeneous organization, not even within each of the quite different areas. Section 4 seems to try to open up the straightjacket created by section 3 a little bit again, but the way it does this is probably the wrong approach. Instead of writing a long diatribe here, let me just point to section 2.7 of https://www.iab.org/wp-content/IAB-uploads/2011/04/Bormann.pdf (see the references to the other sections there, too). Grüße, Carsten
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