Re: [Recentattendees] Background on Singapore go/no go for IETF 100

Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> Thu, 26 May 2016 20:39 UTC

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From: Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
Subject: Re: [Recentattendees] Background on Singapore go/no go for IETF 100
Date: Thu, 26 May 2016 16:31:17 -0400
To: Margaret Cullen <margaretw42@gmail.com>
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> On May 26, 2016, at 4:21 PM, Margaret Cullen <margaretw42@gmail.com>; wrote:
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> What about the IAOC writing to the IETF list and/or recent attendees when they are considering going to a new country, asking if anyone has any feedback on the idea?

It certainly seems cheaper than paying lawyers.  But how does the IAOC evaluate that feedback?  If someone makes claims about laws in that country, seems like IAOC would be in the same boat as it is now regarding Singapore. I don't think feedback from recent attendees should be presumed to be an accurate representation of the situation in a country, particularly when the members of that list might not adequately represent marginalized groups.