Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for last-call discussions
Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> Fri, 13 September 2019 20:10 UTC
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From: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 13:09:42 -0700
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Subject: Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for last-call discussions
To: Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com>
Cc: Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org>, IETF <ietf@ietf.org>
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On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 9:07 AM Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Barry, > > I have read thought the discussion and have a few questions. > > As I understand the proposal, the intent is to have the two lists > initially have the same membership. As you said: > > Our plan is to create the new list and pre-subscribe everyone who is > subscribed to <ietf@ietf.org> at that time. Of course, anyone could > unsubscribe to either or both lists immediately or later, but we think > that doing it this way would minimize the likelihood that people would > miss important stuff because of the move, and folks can choose what > they prefer from there. > > After the initial list creation, will new people be required to subscribe > to each list separately, or will subscribing to the ietf@ietf.org list > also cause a subscription to the last-call@ietf list? I think this is > an important issue as the value of each list is that there is a broad > representation of people from the IETF community. > > Is it a desirable outcome if the lists become very different in > membership? If the ietf@ietf.org list becomes a lot smaller, is this a > good outcome of the experiment, or a bad outcome? > > I am thinking that both lists should have the same membership, that is, > one can’t unsubscribe from only one. This would preserve the broad > community review of last calls and for community discussions, but still > allow separate discussions. > I disagree with this. Part of the value proposition here is to allow people to engage with last calls and avoid the... unpleasantness... which is the ietf@ list. -Ekr > How are we to evaluate the experiment? I have have no doubt that it will > achieve the goal of keeping the discussions separate. I think we should be > defining other criteria in which to evaluate the results of the experiment. > > Also, a related question, how do new IETF participants know to subscribe > to the IETF list these days? Do we have any way of knowing if current > active IETF participants are subscribed? Perhaps, when registering for a > meeting, the registration tool could offer to subscribe to the > ietf@ietf.org and last-call@ietf.org lists. > > Thanks, > Bob > > >
- Planned experiment: A new mailing list for last-c… Barry Leiba
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Andrew G. Malis
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Eric Rescorla
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Ross Finlayson
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Barry Leiba
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Richard Barnes
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Tim Chown
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Barry Leiba
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Tim Wattenberg
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Barry Leiba
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Randy Bush
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Christopher Wood
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Tommy Pauly
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… John C Klensin
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Rob Sayre
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Barry Leiba
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Bob Hinden
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Eric Rescorla
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Barry Leiba
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… S Moonesamy
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… John C Klensin
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Barry Leiba
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… John C Klensin
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Pete Resnick
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… S Moonesamy
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Barry Leiba
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… S Moonesamy
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Barry Leiba
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Eric Rescorla
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Melinda Shore
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Eric Rescorla
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Melinda Shore
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Keith Moore
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Eric Rescorla
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Eliot Lear
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… avri doria
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Eric Rescorla
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Eliot Lear
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… John C Klensin
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Barry Leiba
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Julian Reschke
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Melinda Shore
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… John C Klensin
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… John C Klensin
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Keith Moore
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Rob Sayre
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Pete Resnick
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… John C Klensin
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Rob Sayre
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… John Levine
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Rob Sayre
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… tom petch
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Paul Wouters
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Robert Sparks
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Keith Moore
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Jared Mauch
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… tom petch
- RE: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… 7riw77
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for la… tom petch