Re: Venue Announcement for IETFs 98, 99, 102 and 111
Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net> Sat, 09 January 2016 09:21 UTC
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First, I wanted to agree with what Lou said - we could do much better documenting and being transparent about meeting location choices. Lou is working hard on that in the IAOC, by the way. Then one specific comment on Tom’s point: > While useful, many other very successful organizations meet only remotely and have periodic “summits” where people might or might not show up. All actual work happens using remote tools and meeting venues. I am not saying one is better than the other, but just that there are existence proofs of organizations working without requiring physical meetings. I’ve tried to advocate strongly that this organization consider that, at least partially due to all the logistical reasons discussed not to mention the costs associated with physical meetings. I think this is a bit of a matter of degrees. You could argue that this is precisely what the IETF does. Most of our work happens on list, on writing complex documents and sharing them over the net, and perhaps more recently also in various virtual meetings. In most organisations people tend to value in-person communication to some extent, at least from time to time, including in the organisations that do summits. The question is to what extent, and I’m reasonably happy with the IETF tradeoffs in this. But, it is not like that couldn’t be improved either. Here’s a question that I think would be worthwhile to consider. We do create working groups in some cases even without running a physical BOF meeting, but mostly in cases where the creation of that working group is a no brainer. What would it take to run the next interesting/controversial BOF as a virtual meeting? It would great if we could do this, but I’m not sure it is easy either. (I’m not trying to eliminate the meetings as a useful venue to do BOFs, but in many cases the ability to decide the matter when it comes up as opposed to many months away might be useful for other reasons.) Jari
- Re: Venue Announcement for IETFs 98, 99, 102 and … Lou Berger
- Re: Venue Announcement for IETFs 98, 99, 102 and … Mary Barnes
- Re: Venue Announcement for IETFs 98, 99, 102 and … Michael Richardson
- Venue Announcement for IETFs 98, 99, 102 and 111 IETF Administrative Director
- Re: Venue Announcement for IETFs 98, 99, 102 and … John C Klensin
- Re: Venue Announcement for IETFs 98, 99, 102 and … Ray Pelletier
- Re: Venue Announcement for IETFs 98, 99, 102 and … Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: Venue Announcement for IETFs 98, 99, 102 and … John C Klensin
- Re: Venue Announcement for IETFs 98, 99, 102 and … Ole Jacobsen
- Re: Venue Announcement for IETFs 98, 99, 102 and … John C Klensin
- Re: Venue Announcement for IETFs 98, 99, 102 and … Leif Johansson
- Re: Venue Announcement for IETFs 98, 99, 102 and … Scott Bradner
- Re: Venue Announcement for IETFs 98, 99, 102 and … Leslie Daigle
- Re: Venue Announcement for IETFs 98, 99, 102 and … Nadeau Thomas
- Re: Venue Announcement for IETFs 98, 99, 102 and … Michael StJohns
- Re: Venue Announcement for IETFs 98, 99, 102 and … Jari Arkko
- Re: Venue Announcement for IETFs 98, 99, 102 and … Leif Johansson
- Re: Venue Announcement for IETFs 98, 99, 102 and … thomas nadeau
- Virtual BOFs (was: Re: Venue Announcement for IET… John C Klensin
- Re: Virtual BOFs Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Virtual BOFs Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Virtual BOFs John C Klensin
- Re: Venue Announcement for IETFs 98, 99, 102 and … Doug Barton
- Re: Virtual BOFs Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Virtual BOFs John C Klensin