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Re: Notice of moderator intervention

Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> Thu, 07 May 2026 15:39 UTC

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From: Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 07 May 2026 11:38:00 -0400
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Subject: Re: Notice of moderator intervention
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>> Is it safe to say the Moderators stepped in without being asked?
>
> It's not safe to say that. We received a complaint from a longstanding list participant, and it wasn't Daniel Bernstein.

Please accept my apologies.

Jeff

On Thu, May 7, 2026 at 11:32 AM Chris Box <chris.box.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 7 May 2026 at 16:19, Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Is it safe to say the Moderators stepped in without being asked?
>
>
> It's not safe to say that. We received a complaint from a longstanding list participant, and it wasn't Daniel Bernstein.
>
>>
>> Perhaps the moderators should stay in their lane until a real dispute
>>
>> arises or asked to intervene.
>
>
> To clarify, here's the standard we are seeking to apply.
>
> RFC 7154: IETF Guidelines for Conduct
>
>    1. IETF participants extend respect and courtesy to their colleagues
>       at all times.
>
>    2. IETF participants have impersonal discussions.
>       We dispute ideas by using reasoned argument rather than through
>
>       intimidation or personal attack.
>
> https://github.com/ietf/Moderators/blob/main/uncivil-commentary.md
>
> Attacks can come in several forms. They include personally attacking people for their opinions, beliefs, or ideas rather than criticizing the opinions, beliefs, and ideas themselves. They include name-calling, insulting, demeaning, and belittling people.
>
> We welcome community input on whether this standard is the correct one, and if we're applying it in the right way.
>
> Chris

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