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Re: Diversity and offensive terminology in RFCs

Lloyd Wood <lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk> Fri, 21 September 2018 04:33 UTC

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Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 04:33:45 +0000
From: Lloyd Wood <lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: Diversity and offensive terminology in RFCs
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"Since the man in the middle is always up to no good,"

TCP accelerators for satellite; email relaying, DNS resolvers

that aren't root name servers...

intermediaries are often there for good helpful reasons.

L.

Female supervillains? What, Ayn Rand?
Lloyd Wood lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk http://about.me/lloydwood 



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Subject: Re: Diversity and offensive terminology in RFCs



Some thoughts

1) I strongly agree that there are some words to be avoided. Slave for example. I always refer to DNS servers as either Master/Subordinate or Master/Copy

2) Master is from the Latin Magister meaning chief. I don't see a problem with it unless people are going to use the term slave as well.

3) Since the man in the middle is always up to no good, I don't see that we need to change that vocabulary. Yes, women can be supervillains too.


If you recall, Alice and Bob used to interact with a chap called Mallory. Why did we switch to Mallet, well a person whose last name is Mallory started going to some crypto reading groups at MIT.

The etymology of blacklist is difficult to say the least as the first appearance in printed text is not necessarily when it entered the vernacular. That point is probably the list of regicides and others in the Indemnity and Oblivion act of 1660. Finding a relative listed there is rather more prestigious than having one allegedly sail on the Mayflower.

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