Telnet and FTP to Historic
Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com> Wed, 02 December 2020 05:00 UTC
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From: Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com>
Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2020 00:00:09 -0500
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Subject: Telnet and FTP to Historic
To: John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com>
Cc: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>, IETF Discussion Mailing List <ietf@ietf.org>
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No, don't fix FTP. At this point it has been rendered obsolete by SFTP which is a subsystem of SSH. FTPS has lost out to SFTP in the market. There is no advantage to continuing to support a rival and there is a considerable cost. The interests of the community would be best served by focusing all development on SSH/SFTP and declaring Telnet and FTP HISTORIC. Doing that might help focus attention on the fact SFTP doesn't have an RFC and encourage moves to complete that work. [That said, I am a little peeved at the lack of a telnet system on some platforms as I frequently used it to connect to a raw port and rest out services.] On the format conversion issue, the FTP spec has a MUST that actually requires the default client behavior to be to assume an ascii conversion is desired. There being a negligible number of ESCIDC and 9 bit machines on the Internet in the 1990s. this always irritated me to the point of patching the client to remove the stupid. The biggest mistake in the Web protocols was accepting the dictum of being permissive in what is accepted. Horrors like MIME sniffing might had been avoided if enough browsers had insisted on literal interpretation of content type. What I find really appalling is that there are circumstances in which some browsers have at various times been written with the default behavior of ignoring correctly labelled content and then signalling an error when it doesn't render under the incorrectly assumed type.
- Two FTP issues John C Klensin
- Re: Two FTP issues Carsten Bormann
- Re: Two FTP issues John C Klensin
- Re: Two FTP issues Carsten Bormann
- Re: Two FTP issues John C Klensin
- Re: Two FTP issues Carsten Bormann
- Re: Two FTP issues John C Klensin
- Re: Two FTP issues Theodore Y. Ts'o
- Re: Two FTP issues Joseph Touch
- Re: Two FTP issues Salz, Rich
- Re: Two FTP issues Larry Masinter
- Re: Two non-FTP issues John Levine
- Re: Two non-FTP issues Keith Moore
- Re: Two FTP issues John C Klensin
- Telnet and FTP to Historic Phillip Hallam-Baker
- MIME sniffing Keith Moore
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Keith Moore
- Re: MIME sniffing Julian Reschke
- Re: MIME sniffing Keith Moore
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Adam Roach
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Carsten Bormann
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Michael Richardson
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Carsten Bormann
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Michael Thomas
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Scott O. Bradner
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic John C Klensin
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Scott O. Bradner
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Stephen Farrell
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Mark Andrews
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Stephen Farrell
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Scott Bradner
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Michael Richardson
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Michael Richardson
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Stephen Farrell
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Jared Mauch
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Mark Andrews
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic John Levine
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic John C Klensin
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Theodore Y. Ts'o
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Christian Huitema
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Joe Touch
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Christian Huitema
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Christian de Larrinaga
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Masataka Ohta
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Masataka Ohta
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Dave Cridland
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Nick Hilliard
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Masataka Ohta
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Masataka Ohta
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic IETF Sergeant at Arms
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Christian de Larrinaga
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Michael Richardson
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Masataka Ohta
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Masataka Ohta
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Joe Touch
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Keith Moore
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Adam Roach
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Christian Huitema
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Keith Moore
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Telnet and FTP to Historic Keith Moore