Re: IPv4 outage at next IETF in Chicago

Franck Martin <franck@peachymango.org> Tue, 24 January 2017 23:35 UTC

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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 17:34:57 -0600
From: Franck Martin <franck@peachymango.org>
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Subject: Re: IPv4 outage at next IETF in Chicago
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> From: "Matthew Pounsett" <matt@conundrum.com>
> To: "Franck Martin" <franck@peachymango.org>
> Cc: "IETF" <ietf@ietf.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 3:23:34 PM
> Subject: Re: IPv4 outage at next IETF in Chicago

> On 24 January 2017 at 15:11, Franck Martin < franck@peachymango.org > wrote:

>> So to be conservative but at the same time futurist and like it was done a few
>> years back, why not create again an IPv4 outage of a few hours where the above
>> 2 networks would be the only networks available?

>> Depending on results, this outage could be expanded to a full day at the
>> following meeting, until the IPv4 network is totally removed from the WiFi?

> If you wish to test that your networks are reachable from a v6-only environment,
> there is already a v6-only network you can use to test that. Many of us require
> access to the entire Internet to do our jobs, however.

NAT64 allows you to reach the entire IPv4 network, so you should be able to continue to do your job. NAT64 is already deployed on many mobiles in the US. 

Why moving from dual stack IPv4/IPv6 to IPv6 with NAT64? 
It ensures that all the OS and client applications can work in an IPv6 only environment while still be able to reach legacy systems (aka IPv4).