Re: Last Call: <draft-hoffman-tao-as-web-page-02.txt> (Publishing the "Tao of the IETF" as a Web Page) to Informational RFC

Abdussalam Baryun <> Fri, 06 July 2012 05:16 UTC

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Subject: Re: Last Call: <draft-hoffman-tao-as-web-page-02.txt> (Publishing the "Tao of the IETF" as a Web Page) to Informational RFC
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I support all your suggestions (i.e. point 1 and 2, and nits i and ii
) , and hope that iesg, and editor agrees, and that the community
considers them for progress. I seen the change in the
draft-document-03 which I think getting better but still not satisfied

The new vesion 3 draft (dated 5 July) does not include all your
suggestion, please read and comment on draft-03 (the subject refers to
draft-02, did you read draft-03?).

My previous input to the subject:
>> The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter
>> to consider the following document:
>> - 'Publishing the "Tao of the IETF" as a Web Page'
>>   <draft-hoffman-tao-as-web-page-02.txt> as Informational RFC
>> The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and
>> solicits final comments on this action. Please send
>> substantive comments to the ietf at mailing lists by
>> 2012-07-13.
> Hi.
> Just to make a pair of comments that I've sort of made in other
> contexts in the particular context of the Last Call.   I won't
> repeat the details.
> (1) As a general strategy, doing the Tao as a web page seems
> like exactly the right thing to do.  Some sort of staging
> process and opportunity for review of working drafts by the
> community as well as the IETF seems important.  As far as I can
> tell, the document covers that adequately although some details
> are not spelled out as well as some would perhaps prefer.
> (2) The document itself mixes a historical discussion of how
> things got to where they are with what is being done going
> forward.   I believe it would be desirable to more clearly
> separate that material, into either separate documents or into a
> brief core document that focuses of the three questions of "what
> is the Tao", "where can it be found", and "what is the revision/
> update procedure" and an appendix that includes whatever else is
> determined to be necessary.  In that regard, the abstract of the
> core (or only) document should not concentrate on when
> discussions occurred, etc., but simply on what the Tao is and
> why it might be useful.  Liberal borrowing from the abstract of
> RFC 4677 (or just copying it) would be, IMO, quite appropriate.
> This is less of a problem than it might otherwise be because the
> document is so short, but a document that obsoletes RFC 4677 and
> its predecessors should address the substances addressed by
> 4677, not serve as a historical summary of a few months of
> community discussion.
> Nits:
> (i) In recent years, the IESG has insisted on specific
> documentation when one RFC obsoletes another.  This draft does
> not mention the "obsoletes" relationship in the Abstract,
> Introduction, or any other prominent place.
> (ii) Second paragraph of current Introduction, first sentence,
> should contain "discussion that led..." rather than "discussion
> that lead...".  I believe that paragraph is part of the
> historical discussion that belongs somewhere else.
> thanks,
>    john