Re: and... text for the win

Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> Sat, 07 November 2020 06:06 UTC

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Subject: Re: and... text for the win
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On 2020-11-07, at 03:36, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
> 
> In the other 99% of the world everyone exchanges MS Word documents.  I'm
> certainly not saying that's wonderful, but it's reality.

Hammer/nail.

99 % of the world is not collaboratively developing high-quality technical specifications, so I don’t care that much about those 99 % as a role model.

I expect the minutes from the apartment owners’ meeting to be in MS-Word.
Or a random document from our university administration (which is slowly learning not to send around MS-Word documents as a replacement for emails :-).

But technical documents in the computer science department?  Ha.
Gitlab, hackmd/codimd, and (in the math/theoretical computer science world) overleaf are our collaboration platforms.

(My information security class uses markdown for all its assignments.
Even though that is not identified as a learning objective of that class, it creates great satisfaction to talk to alumni a couple of years later and hear unsolicited testimonials how they have weaned themselves off the time-wasting use of other formats.)

It is much harder to get rid of MS-Excel...

Grüße, Carsten