RE: Remote participation fees - do we need projectors?
John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> Sun, 15 February 2015 12:23 UTC
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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 07:23:31 -0500
From: John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com>
To: Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>, John Leslie <john@jlc.net>
Subject: RE: Remote participation fees - do we need projectors?
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--On Sunday, February 15, 2015 11:44 +0000 Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> wrote: > Hi, > > Do we really need projectors during the WG sessions? > > Most participants have laptops/tablets where they could watch > the slides. Many participants are already too busy using their laptops to monitor email and/or participate in Jabber (or equivalent) side-conversations to also be able to monitor slides carefully. Some of us have even thought that IETF effectiveness would be improved if we banned laptops/tablets (or WiFi) from WG meetings except for minute-takers, Jabber scribes, and others actively interacting with remote participants. There are other issues with projectors. Some of us believe that interaction took a step backwards in going from overhead projectors to projected slides, but that is mostly a separate problem and slides available only on personal devices would, if anything, make it worse. > ...and the presenter should keep his/her eyes on the audience, > not the slides :) Or on the tops of their heads or outside surfaces of laptops. No audience feedback there. > Not sure how big (if any) impact removing the projectors would > have on the participation fee, but at least it would give a > little more flexibility when it comes to finding suitable > meeting rooms, as a projector is not required. Because, with occasional exceptions, the IETF, and not the hotels, provide the projectors, the consequences on meeting room flexibility would, I think, be fairly low... unless a policy of "except when you take an exercise break to walk to the microphone, nothing going on in the meeting room other than watching slides on your laptop, listening to a speaker whom you can't see because you are staring at your laptop screen" further reduced incentives for people to attend in person, thereby cutting requirements on meeting room seating and power. john
- RE: Remote participation fees - do we need projec… Christer Holmberg
- RE: Remote participation fees - do we need projec… John C Klensin
- Re: Remote participation fees - do we need projec… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Remote participation fees - do we need projec… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Remote participation fees - do we need projec… t.p.