Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for last-call discussions

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Subject: Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for last-call discussions
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Seems like it will be effective at reducing the cross section of the
community that will reached by a last call.

If that is what you all want.


On 12-Sep-19 16:43, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
> Three comments:
> 1. Slightly to my surprise, this is fully consistent with RFC 2026, which
> says:
>    This "Last-Call" notification shall be
>    via electronic mail to the IETF Announce mailing list.  Comments on a
>    Last-Call shall be accepted from anyone, and should be sent as
>    directed in the Last-Call announcement.
> I think there may be other places where the list is documented
> as the venue for last calls, but for the experiment, we're fine.
> 2. Are we sure? Yes, this will reduce traffic on the list, but one view is
> that it's the most important traffic of all.
> 3. Personally, I simply don't care. I will adjust my filters to direct the
> displaced traffic to the same inbox as
> Regards
>    Brian
> On 13-Sep-19 04:14, Barry Leiba wrote:
>> As we discussed in the plenary session at IETF 105 in Montréal, some
>> community members have suggested moving document last-call discussions
>> onto a dedicated "last-call" mailing list, and off of the general
>> <> list.  The latter is a high-volume list with a lot of
>> varied discussion, and some think that it would be useful to separate
>> the general discussion from the last-call discussion, to allow people
>> to choose which discussions (or both) to follow.  In the IETF 105
>> plenary, support was expressed for that separation.
>> The IESG agrees, and wants to try an experiment to that end.  We
>> propose to create <> and to direct last-call
>> comments and discussions there (the last-call announcements would
>> still go to <>rg>, with "reply-to" set to the new
>> list).  That list would be monitored by volunteers recruited by the
>> IETF Chair, and digressions would be nudged back to <>rg>,
>> while we would ask people having last-call discussions on this list to
>> please move them to the new list.  We would get the tools team
>> involved so that the distribution lists for directorate and
>> review-team reviews would be updated appropriately.
>> Our plan is to create the new list and pre-subscribe everyone who is
>> subscribed to <> at that time.  Of course, anyone could
>> unsubscribe to either or both lists immediately or later, but we think
>> that doing it this way would minimize the likelihood that people would
>> miss important stuff because of the move, and folks can choose what
>> they prefer from there.
>> After six months, we would do an initial evaluation, including getting
>> feedback from the community, to see how the experiment is working.  If
>> it seems worth continuing we would do so, and at a point that the
>> community decides that the experiment is a success (should it so
>> decide), we would start an update to BCP 45 to formally move the
>> location for last-call discussions, and we would update the 2007 IESG
>> Statement on Last Call Guidance.
>> We invite comments, here, on this plan, by the end of September. As I
>> say above, we've heard support from the community for the general
>> idea, and we'd like to make sure this direction is what the community
>> wants.
>> Barry, for the IESG
>> .