Re: Strong objection to draft-ietf-WG-*.all noise levels

Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> Tue, 10 February 2015 14:11 UTC

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On 2/10/15 2:56 AM, Eggert, Lars wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> On 2015-2-9, at 23:49, Pete Resnick <presnick@qti.qualcomm.com> wrote:
>> The IESG, in part at the behest of the community, wanted to (by default) make sure that IESG ballots were copied to the WG mailing list instead of being a private conversation between the authors, the chairs, and the IESG, invisible to anyone else in the community.
> and that's a fine motivation.
>
> The implementation of this is the issue:
>
>> Now, the mechanism used to accomplish that (adding the WG to the .notify alias, which in turn adds it to the .all alias) sends *all* notifications regarding a document to the WG by default. Perhaps we want to change that.
> I think we want to explicitly CC the list, so that mail filtering keeps working.
If I understand things correctly, the expansion I mentioned in point 5 
of my earlier message accomplishes this part of what you are wanting 
(with To: rather than CC:, and is already deployed. If you are seeing 
mail today where that's not the case, please let me know.
>
> Lars