Re: What to incorporate (Re: Options for IETF administrative restructuring)

"Adrian Farrel" <olddog@clara.co.uk> Fri, 03 September 2004 12:33 UTC

Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA24024; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:33:40 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1C3DIk-0003gS-15; Fri, 03 Sep 2004 08:36:23 -0400
Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1C3D4n-0004Vg-GK; Fri, 03 Sep 2004 08:21:57 -0400
Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1C3CtT-000236-OU for ietf@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 03 Sep 2004 08:10:15 -0400
Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA22750 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:10:14 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from relay2.mail.uk.clara.net ([80.168.70.142]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1C3Cw3-0002AE-SE for ietf@ietf.org; Fri, 03 Sep 2004 08:12:57 -0400
Received: from du-069-0329.access.clara.net ([217.158.145.75] helo=Puppy) by relay2.mail.uk.clara.net with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1C3CtQ-000CUP-Bl for ietf@ietf.org; Fri, 03 Sep 2004 13:10:13 +0100
Message-ID: <06be01c491ae$fc9dbef0$b6849ed9@Puppy>
From: Adrian Farrel <olddog@clara.co.uk>
To: ietf@ietf.org
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0409021336280.19318-100000@cirrus.av8.net> <AD74D6492D0ED95DFC6F8AF3@askvoll.hjemme.alvestrand.no>
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 13:08:49 +0100
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158
X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165
X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/)
X-Scan-Signature: b19722fc8d3865b147c75ae2495625f2
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 08:21:55 -0400
Subject: Re: What to incorporate (Re: Options for IETF administrative restructuring)
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5
Precedence: list
Reply-To: Adrian Farrel <olddog@clara.co.uk>
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
Sender: ietf-bounces@ietf.org
Errors-To: ietf-bounces@ietf.org
X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/)
X-Scan-Signature: 69a74e02bbee44ab4f8eafdbcedd94a1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Harald wrote...
> Foretec has paid employees doing the secretariat job.

One of the transparency problems can be seen at

https://www1.ietf.org/secretariat.html

      The Secretariat is hosted by the Corporation for National Research Initiatives. 
      It can be reached at: 
      IETF Secretariat 
      c/o Corporation for National Research Initiatives 
      1895 Preston White Drive, Suite 100 
      Reston, VA 20191-5434 
      USA 
      +1 703 620 8990 (voice) 
      +1 703 620 9071 (fax) 


Closer examination shows that Foretec are resident at the same (postal) address.

and on the Foretec Web site http://www.foretec.com

      Currently, Foretec's association management and event services contribute
      to the ongoing operation and success of the Internet Engineering Task Force
      - hosted by the Corporation for National Research Initiatives. Foretec has 
      also provided targeted specialty services to the the Corporation for National
      Research Initiatives


If I cared, I would find this impossibly opaque.

Cheers,
Adrian

_______________________________________________
Ietf mailing list
Ietf@ietf.org
https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf