Re: Do we actually want to do anything about DMARC?

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Mon, 15 August 2016 20:22 UTC

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Subject: Re: Do we actually want to do anything about DMARC?
To: Alessandro Vesely <vesely@tana.it>, ietf@ietf.org
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From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
Organization: University of Auckland
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On 15/08/2016 21:31, Alessandro Vesely wrote:
> On Mon 15/Aug/2016 03:22:08 +0200 John Levine wrote:
>>
>> My form is marissa@yahoo.com.dmarc.fail, but if wildcard MX records
>> are scary, it could be marissa-yahoo.com@fwd.ietf.org.  Having done
>> this before, I know it's not terribly hard, and I'd be happy to help
>> make it work.
> 
> Marissa@yahoo.com.MANUALLY.REMOVE.THE.TRAILING.PARTS would involve even
> less work and worries.  IMHO, it is not so much its forcing recipients
> to refurbish their wit in order to discern phishes, as its rendering the
> From: field meaningless, which troubles this workaround's viability.

Since the IETF already has a global white list of approved posters that
is already used by mailman, it shouldn' be hard to use the same white list
to admit traffic to the remailer and reject bogons.

   Brian