Re: limiting our set of cities
Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> Thu, 20 February 2020 17:57 UTC
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Subject: Re: limiting our set of cities
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From: Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
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On 2/20/20 9:13 AM, Christian Hopps wrote: >> On Feb 20, 2020, at 8:17 AM, Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> wrote: >> >> On 2/20/20 7:46 AM, Christian Hopps wrote: >> >>> I think that we should pick the top 12-16 locations that participants are from, then for each destination prior to it being considered we calculate the travel PAIN (cost + time) for that set of participants. >> Why favor participants from large cities? It's not like they're representative of the whole group. > By trying to make it easier for the most people, of course it's going to be helping areas with the most people. The point is to obtain a list of sites to measure travel cost and time from. I think that's statistically incorrect. The likely effect of what you propose would be to artificially discourage participation by people not living in large cities. >> Also, different participants have different ideas of pain. > I think it's reasonable to equate "painful" with travel time and cost. For me, pain includes those things but also includes things like the availability of food that is compatible with my diet. And not just travel time but discomfort, which is nonlinearly related to travel time. > Do we really want people who love to travel and couldn't care less where we go to be diluting the "pain pool" for the measurement? I have yet to meet anyone who doesn't have a preference about where they travel. But I think that letting everyone decide for themselves what is painful and whether the meeting location is an effective enough place to work to justify the trip, is much better than having one person unilaterally declare what the criteria should be. >> A fairer method would be to poll every participant about their preferences for future meeting cities, then for each meeting, pick N polled participants at random from those who have attended the last M meetings (locally or remotely), and select from the cities show up in their preference lists. > Ok as long as N is large and M is reasonable. But making N large is just going to skew to large metro areas being heavily represented anyway. *shrug* The difference is that the chance of considering a small city as a location would be in proportion to the number of attendees from small cities. But I also think that minimizing pain (however defined) is not the right overall criterion - it should instead be to maximize effective participation (of which pain is certainly a factor but not the only one). Granted, that quantity is even harder to define than pain. But several people have observed that the meeting venue has a lot of effect on the ability to get work done. Keith
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- Re: Updated potential meeting location list Jay Daley
- Re: Updated potential meeting location list JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: Updated potential meeting location list Ross Finlayson
- Re: Updated potential meeting location list Jay Daley
- limiting our set of cities Michael Richardson
- Re: limiting our set of cities Jared Mauch
- Re: limiting our set of cities Jay Daley
- Re: limiting our set of cities Michael Richardson
- Re: limiting our set of cities Michael Richardson
- RE: limiting our set of cities Maisonneuve, Julien (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay)
- Re: limiting our set of cities Michal Krsek
- Re: limiting our set of cities Michael Richardson
- Re: limiting our set of cities Christian Hopps
- Re: limiting our set of cities Michael Richardson
- Re: limiting our set of cities Rodney Van Meter
- Re: limiting our set of cities Keith Moore
- Re: limiting our set of cities Christian Hopps
- Re: limiting our set of cities Livingood, Jason
- Re: Updated potential meeting location list Brian Campbell
- Re: limiting our set of cities Stewart Bryant
- Re: limiting our set of cities Andrew Sullivan
- Re: limiting our set of cities Keith Moore
- RE: limiting our set of cities Peter Yee
- Re: Updated potential meeting location list Jay Daley
- Re: limiting our set of cities Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)
- Re: limiting our set of cities Christian Hopps
- Re: limiting our set of cities Alissa Cooper
- Re: limiting our set of cities Jay Daley
- Re: limiting our set of cities Michael Richardson
- Re: limiting our set of cities Bob Hinden
- Re: Updated potential meeting location list Fred Baker