Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting cities

Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> Fri, 14 April 2017 16:11 UTC

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Subject: Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting cities
To: Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com>, IETF <ietf@ietf.org>
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On 4/14/2017 9:04 AM, Fernando Gont wrote:
> FWIW, for the developing world, remote participation has possibly always
> been a necessity.


Indeed.  I hadn't understood how extensive this had become until seeing:

    https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-elkins-ietf-remote-hubs-00#section-3

However, there is a significant difference between their current mode of 
integration with the 'main' venue site, versus what we will need to have 
remote sites able to have nearly seamless participation in sessions.

Some of this is functional, such as a single queue for everyone wanting 
to speak, no matter where they are.  Some of this is much more robust 
performance and reliability (within obvious networking limitations.)

I suspect the easiest bit will be improved usability design, since the 
Meetecho folk tend to start with reasonable design and make improvements 
quickly, as experience is gained.  But yes, from some comments over the 
last two meetings, there's probably room for that improvement.

d/

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Dave Crocker
Brandenburg InternetWorking
bbiw.net