Evolution in action (Re: Thinking differently)
Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no> Wed, 02 April 2003 06:36 UTC
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Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 08:27:19 +0200
From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no>
To: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>, Jaap Akkerhuis <jaap@sidn.nl>
Cc: ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Evolution in action (Re: Thinking differently)
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--On tirsdag, april 01, 2003 12:31:06 -0800 Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote: >> During this discussion I've seen references to the "69/8 debacle". >> Can anybody explain what the debacle is/was? Is this a magic phrase >> for real insiders? Is is something that happened only on a local >> net? If not, why don't you explain to the rest of the world? What >> IS the argument hinted to with mentioning the "69/8 debacle". > > idiot isps who configured route filters but did not bother to maintain > them. darwin at work. the subject is uninteresting, as the study > of stupidity is an exceedingly target-rich environment. for those of us who are endlessly fascinated by watching evolution in action - what was the previous usage of 69/8 that led to those filters being installed? (parenthesis: similar things have reportedly happened to people using .info for email - there turns out to be a number of MTAs in the world who have hardcoded all the non-2-letter TLDs, assuming "there will be no more", and routinely toss mail from/to the newer ones. They, too, deserve the pain they get; unfortunately they, like the route filterers, don't get all the pain they cause.) Harald
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