Re: [IAB] Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm
Dave Crocker <dcrocker@bbiw.net> Sat, 11 August 2012 15:20 UTC
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On 8/11/2012 8:13 AM, Carsten Bormann wrote: > On Aug 11, 2012, at 16:41, Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> wrote: >> consensus-oriented process > > Sometimes, though, you have to act. > > While a consensus-oriented process*) document could certainly be used > to improve (or deteriorate) the document by a couple more epsilons, I > agree with Randy Bush: Signing it now is a no-brainer. I wasn't commenting on document editing. (It actually needs a serious editing pass, but I understand that the current situation mitigates against pursuing that.) My point was that we have a process for assessing IETF support and it's not being used. Something quite different is being used. I'm not arguing against the document, but merely noting that an implication of IETF community support is going to be present, but in the absence of our having followed the process that makes that (formally) correct. Bureaucracy sucks. It's a hassle. It's always more appealing to just do whatever we feel like that feels reasonable because we have good intent. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net
- VS: Re: [IAB] Last Call: Modern Global Standards … Jari Arkko
- Re: VS: Re: [IAB] Last Call: Modern Global Standa… Dave Crocker
- Re: Re: [IAB] Last Call: Modern Global Standards … Carsten Bormann
- Re: [IAB] Last Call: Modern Global Standards Para… Dave Crocker
- Re: VS: Re: [IAB] Last Call: Modern Global Standa… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IAB] Last Call: Modern Global Standards Para… Dave Crocker
- Re: [MARKETING] Re: VS: Re: [IAB] Last Call: Mode… Stewart Bryant
- Re: VS: Re: [IAB] Last Call: Modern Global Standa… Glen Zorn
- Re: Re: [IAB] Last Call: Modern Global Standards … Glen Zorn
- Re: [IAB] Last Call: Modern Global Standards Para… SM
- Re: [IAB] Last Call: Modern Global Standards Para… Glen Zorn
- Re: [IAB] Last Call: Modern Global Standards Para… SM
- Re: [IAB] Last Call: Modern Global Standards Para… Barry Leiba
- Re: [IAB] Last Call: Modern Global Standards Para… Dave Crocker
- Re: [IAB] Last Call: Modern Global Standards Para… Barry Leiba
- Re: [IAB] Last Call: Modern Global Standards Para… Dave Crocker
- Metadiscussion [Last Call: Modern Global Standard… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IAB] Last Call: Modern Global Standards Para… Stewart Bryant
- Re: [IAB] Last Call: Modern Global Standards Para… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [IAB] Last Call: Modern Global Standards Para… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [IAB] Last Call: Modern Global Standards Para… Lixia Zhang
- Re: [IAB] Last Call: Modern Global Standards Para… SM
- Please, not more process (was: [IAB] Last Call: M… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: Re: [IAB] Last Call: Modern Global Standards … Michael StJohns
- Re: Please, not more process (was: [IAB] Last Cal… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [IAB] Last Call: Modern Global Standards Para… Brian E Carpenter
- RE: Re: [IAB] Last Call: Modern Global Standards … Richard Shockey
- One sentence SM