Re: Resignation request
Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com> Mon, 02 March 2020 21:19 UTC
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From: Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2020 13:19:20 -0800
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Subject: Re: Resignation request
To: Sander Steffann <sander@steffann.nl>
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Hi Sander, Without any comment on this particular instance, it is generally a good idea to go through an appeal of a specific decision first. My experience is that people do reconsider their actions in the light of appeals fairly frequently, and it is generally better to explore the option of reconsideration before anything else. If there are still concerns after that, you can always test the waters for further actions (such as a recall, which is set out in https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7437#section-7 and https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8713#section-7). Having made many of my own mistakes over the course of my time in the IETF, I know I have appreciated the opportunity to get something right (or explain more fully my reasoning.) I understand that there are other efforts at drafting a summary of issues in the general space, but a short, focused appeal of the nature "I ask for a reconsideration of a declaration of consensus, given the amount of time the most recent draft was available before its declaration" might prove useful. best regards, Ted On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 12:34 PM Sander Steffann <sander@steffann.nl> wrote: > Hi, > > I am shocked by the declaration of consensus on > draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming by Martin Vigoureux. There was > much discussion going on about one aspect of the draft, and there was > clearly no consensus amongst the participants. There are still questions > that haven't been answered about even the applicability of the contested > text, let alone addressed. Promised about for example reporting back on the > impact on RIR policies have never been fulfilled. And those are just the > two bits that concern me most personally. > > Steamrolling a draft through a working group completely undermines the > whole idea of the IETF and greatly damages it trustworthiness and > reliability. By bluntly declaring consensus despite all of the objections > within two hours of the latest version of the draft being published I feel > that Martin Vigoureux has lost the credibility as an AD. I strongly feel a > resignation is in order at this point. > > Cheers, > Sander > >
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- Re: Resignation request Sander Steffann
- Fwd: Resignation request Fernando Gont
- Re: Resignation request Job Snijders
- Re: Resignation request Nick Hilliard
- Re: Resignation request Sander Steffann
- Re: Resignation request Melchior Aelmans
- Re: Resignation request Job Snijders
- Re: Resignation request Ted Hardie
- Re: Resignation request Sander Steffann
- Re: Resignation request Scott O. Bradner
- Re: Resignation request Sander Steffann
- Re: Resignation request Scott O. Bradner
- Re: Resignation request Andrew Alston
- Re: Resignation request Keith Moore
- Re: Resignation request Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Resignation request Stewart Bryant
- Re: Resignation request Loa Andersson
- Timeout Request: Was: Resignation request Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Resignation request Alex Bogdanov
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- Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Pete Resnick
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Warren Kumari
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Nico Williams
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Paul Wouters
- RE: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Andrew Alston
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Nico Williams
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Nico Williams
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Nico Williams
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Fernando Gont
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Pete Resnick
- RE: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) S Moonesamy
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Nico Williams
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Paul Wouters
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Pete Resnick
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Pete Resnick
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) S Moonesamy
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Nico Williams
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Pete Resnick
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Nico Williams
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Eric Rescorla
- RE: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Larry Masinter
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Eric Rescorla
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Phillip Hallam-Baker
- RE: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Larry Masinter