Re: Registration details for IETF 108
Scott Kitterman <scott@kitterman.com> Mon, 01 June 2020 16:32 UTC
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Subject: Re: Registration details for IETF 108
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Amazingly enough, I've participated in several IETF meetings, when needed for drafts I was working on, without being charged for it, so I'm curious about this 'discount' I'm now going to get. Scott K On Monday, June 1, 2020 11:07:43 AM EDT Livingood, Jason wrote: > It's interesting that the issue has been framed as a new fee will be charged > to participate in an IETF meeting. But there's been a fee to attend an IETF > meeting for as long as I've participated in the IETF. I might suggest that > another way of considering this is that the typical meeting fee is being > discounted for the virtual meeting. > Jason > (not speaking for the IETF LLC - personal view) > > On 6/1/20, 8:39 AM, "ietf on behalf of Suresh Krishnan" > <ietf-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of suresh.krishnan@gmail.com> wrote: > +1. I think this is a reasonable decision and allows people to > participate without financial barriers, while allowing the ongoing > activities funded by IETF meeting fees to proceed without interruption. > Regards > Suresh > > > > On May 31, 2020, at 5:24 PM, Joel M. Halpern <jmh@joelhalpern.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I agree with Eric in his description. From where I sit, this seems a > > reasonable decision by the leadership. > > > > > > > Yours, > > Joel > > > > > > > > On 5/31/2020 5:13 PM, Eric Rescorla wrote: > > > >> On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 1:56 PM S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com > >> <mailto:sm%2Bietf@elandsys.com>> wrote: >> > >> Dear Internet Engineering Steering Group, > >> [Reply-To override] > >> At 06:12 PM 27-05-2020, IETF Executive Director wrote: > >> > >> >This meeting will have a substantial agenda but as the cost of > >> >an > >> >online meeting is lower, the registration fees have been set at > >> >approximately one-third of those for an in-person meeting. A > >> >detailed explanation of why we charge a fee for meetings and how > >> >the > >> >fee reduction was set for IETF 108 is provided in a separate > >> >blog > >> > >> post [3]. > >> In 2013, the IETF Chair affirmed that the Internet Engineering > >> Task > >> Force embraced the modern paradigm for standards. One of the > >> points > >> in the document is the standards process being open to all > >> interested > >> and informed parties. If I recall correctly, I raised a point a > >> few > >> months before 2013 about the IETF allowing free access to its > >> meetings through the Internet. I could not help noticing that > >> there > >> is now a required fee to access the next IETF meeting. Was that > >> approved by the IESG? > >> I took a look at the meeting policy for the IETF. I never > >> understood > >> why that policy is described as an ambition. Anyway, as that > >> policy > >> does not specify anything about changing the existing practice > >> for > >> fees, it is unlikely that the decision to charge for online > >> meetings > >> can be challenged. > >> I would like to thank the IETF LLC Directors for acknowledging > >> that > >> the fee presents a barrier to participation and their charitable > >> offer. I'll leave the charitable offer to those who are in need. > >> It took a decade for the IETF to take this pay-to-play decision. > >> Was > >> there any discussion about it? > >> > >> I don't think the characterization of this as "pay-to-play" is > >> accurate. You are certainly free to participate in mailing lists, > >> github, etc. > >> What is being charged here is a fee to participate [0] in real-time > >> virtual meetings, just as there is one charged for attending > >> in-person meetings. -Ekr > >> [0] I emphasize "real-time" as I expect that the recordings will be > >> available after the fact as usual. > > > > > >
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- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 S Moonesamy
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Eric Rescorla
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Joel M. Halpern
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Melinda Shore
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 S Moonesamy
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Brian E Carpenter
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