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Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for the IETF"

Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx> Tue, 02 June 2015 21:30 UTC

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Subject: Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for the IETF"
From: Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx>
To: Joe Touch <touch@isi.edu>
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On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Joe Touch <touch@isi.edu> wrote:

>
>
> On 6/2/2015 2:19 PM, Richard Barnes wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Joe Touch <touch@isi.edu
> > <mailto:touch@isi.edu>> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >     On 6/2/2015 11:51 AM, Richard Barnes wrote:
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Joe Touch <touch@isi.edu <mailto:
> touch@isi.edu>
> >     > <mailto:touch@isi.edu <mailto:touch@isi.edu>>> wrote:
> >     >
> >     >     On 6/1/2015 10:16 AM, Richard Barnes wrote:
> >     >     > Do it.  Do it boldly and fearlessly.  Make the statement and
> implement it.
> >     >     >
> >     >     ...
> >     >     > Don't be tied to legacy.  Anything that doesn't support
> HTTPS at this
> >     >     > point needs to upgrade and deserves to be broken.
> >     >
> >     >     Leaving out the have-nots - or those whose access is blocked
> by others
> >     >     when content cannot be scanned - isn't moving forward.
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > [citation-required]
> >     >
> >     > Where is this place where the entire HTTPS web is not accessible?
> >
> >     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Wikipedia
> >
> >     Search for HTTPS.
> >
> >
> > This is all that that search turns up:
> > """
> > Chinese authorities started blocking access to the secure (https)
> > version of the site on 31 May 2013, although the non-secure (http)
> > version is still available – the latter is vulnerable to keyword
> > filtering allowing individual articles to be selectively blocked.
> > Greatfire urged Wikipedia and users to circumvent the block by using
> > https access to other IP addresses owned by Wikipedia.
> > """
> >
> > If censors want to block the IETF website, they can do it with or
> > without HTTPS.
>
> But that's not what they DID.
>
> They blocked the activity they couldn't monitor.


I would rather not preemptively knuckle under to censorship.  If it turns
out that we turn on HTTPS and nobody can see it, we can adapt to that fact.


--Richard

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