Re: not really pgp signing in van

Ted Lemon <Ted.Lemon@nominum.com> Mon, 09 September 2013 21:42 UTC

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From: Ted Lemon <Ted.Lemon@nominum.com>
To: John Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
Subject: Re: not really pgp signing in van
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On Sep 9, 2013, at 5:36 PM, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
> Sounds like we're on our way to reinventing S/MIME.  Other than the
> key signing and distribution (which I agree is a major can of worms)
> it works remarkably well.

Right.   That's the reason I don't use it.   Completely naively, may I ask why we never folded PGP support into S/MIME?   Or did we, and nobody implemented it?